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« Reply #255 on: February 26, 2004, 11:46:09 AM »
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Wow martlet, you really havnt posted a real answer. Noone is going to stop you from teaching your children what you deam is right and wrong.

How does gay marriage affect your community? Any gays that are in it now are already living together so its not like more will move in just because they can get married.


And your right, if you keep using these very flimsy arguements as your core belief you will never change our minds. If you give me a stat that links homosexuals getting married causes straights to become gay, hell i would be against it, but there really is no logical reason to be against it other then cause.


I don't want my children to grow up in a community that accepts homosexuality as normal behavior.  Leagalizing SSM does just that.  

I could care less if you find my belief to be flimsy.  It only appears so because you disagree.  I feel your belief is based on a lack of morality.  Who cares?

I'm not trying to convince you or change your mind.  I'm not trying to change homosexuals into heterosexuals.  I'm trying to ensure the community I raise my children in is up to my standards.  

If I sat by and didn't promote the value system I want ingrained in my community, I wouldn't be doing my job as a citizen or a parent.

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« Reply #256 on: February 26, 2004, 11:55:15 AM »
Thats finally a reason martlet. A flimsy one at that, but at least its not so ambiguous anymore.

I have morals just different values then you. Does not mean i lack any by any means.

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« Reply #257 on: February 26, 2004, 12:01:04 PM »
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You mean like calling people "homos"?

Sorry Funk couldn't resist.:D


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« Reply #258 on: February 26, 2004, 12:15:59 PM »
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Not to split hairs too much, but visitation in a hospital is hospital policy, not a "right".


Of course, and the definition of their policy is spouse and immediate family - children and parents.

A "gay" lover... doesn't fall into that category... neither does a boyfriend/girlfriend....

However, someone who really is a "spouse"... who is recognized by law as a legal spouse able to exercise power of attorney... etc... they would be allowed to visit.

the real issue is that there are gay couples already living in a manner that is "husband" and eh... "husband" ... "wife and wife"

They want the same legal rights afforded to people who are husband and wife. Nothing more... nothing less.

That includes the same privileges that private organizations afford married couples with in the same defines of the laws, state constitutions and federal law that forbids discrimination. For example, private establishments that are open to the public can't be exclude blacks, women, jews, the elderly, and homosexuals regardless of their services... ok may be a gynecologist might not perform a pelvic exame on a man who thinks he's a woman.

The question I have what does it matter to the conservative Christians what the gays do?

If two guys want to get married... it does no harm to any one... I know... homosexuality may be contageous.

Just like blood from black people will cause white people to turn black - don't want any of that darky blood!

The real agenda for Christians is that they think homosexuality is a sin, and if they could they would ban it and punish all the gays.

Which they have, sodomy laws, etc... and those have been repealed and declared unconstitutional - because well when you put on the unbiased hat - those laws were based on bigotry and hate, which is after all the foundation of judeo- Christianity.  The Bible is full of hateful stories... it talks more about evil than it does about good things. it talks more of how to punish for failing to be good than rewards for trying to be good.

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« Reply #259 on: February 26, 2004, 12:24:24 PM »
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I'm trying to ensure the community I raise my children in is up to my standards.  

If I sat by and didn't promote the value system I want ingrained in my community, I wouldn't be doing my job as a citizen or a parent.


yet you live in a society which glorifies violence to other human beings.

In nearly every story, movie, and TV show violence in America is glorified and celebrated.

The last 10 minutes of nearly every movie that comes out of Hollywood has the hero killing the bad guy - the message to children... it's ok to kill if you are the good guy... it's ok to solve problems by hurting other people.

to me that is horriblely immoral and not christian at all. Love thy neighbor doesn't mean send him to hell in a rain of bullets.

Horror movies in my opinion should be banned... come on! cutting someone up with a chain aw... showing their agonizing face as their limbs are sawn off... blood splattering everywhere... and imagines of their flesh twitching and writhing as they die.

that's evil.

And those movies only get PG-13.. but if there's a naked boob - it's an R.

At the same time National Geographic can show black women parading around with their boobs all akimbo as long as they have a bone through their nose and they speak with clicks and chirps.

America is morrally twisted and no wonder erectile disfunction ads are all over the radio and TV.

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« Reply #260 on: February 26, 2004, 12:27:57 PM »
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I don't want my children to grow up in a community that accepts homosexuality as normal behavior.  Leagalizing SSM does just that.  

I'm not trying to convince you or change your mind.  I'm not trying to change homosexuals into heterosexuals.  I'm trying to ensure the community I raise my children in is up to my standards.  

If I sat by and didn't promote the value system I want ingrained in my community, I wouldn't be doing my job as a citizen or a parent.


Then where do you put the line, because in order to meet above objectives you ideally would have to remove homosexuality from your community entirely. Are you prepared to do that too or you're just going to make their life miserable by preventing them from marrying?
Again, you might deceive yourself into believing that SSM's do corrupt your children in some far-fetched sort of way, they still don't affect them or yourself, just your misplaced and dangerously fanatic sense of christian pride.

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« Reply #261 on: February 26, 2004, 12:35:07 PM »
Ahh yes, its the old "where would you draw the line" argument.

As if having "No Line" is better.  

HINT: You live in a world full of lines.
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« Reply #262 on: February 26, 2004, 12:41:19 PM »
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yet you live in a society which glorifies violence to other human beings.

In nearly every story, movie, and TV show violence in America is glorified and celebrated.

The last 10 minutes of nearly every movie that comes out of Hollywood has the hero killing the bad guy - the message to children... it's ok to kill if you are the good guy... it's ok to solve problems by hurting other people.

to me that is horriblely immoral and not christian at all. Love thy neighbor doesn't mean send him to hell in a rain of bullets.

Horror movies in my opinion should be banned... come on! cutting someone up with a chain aw... showing their agonizing face as their limbs are sawn off... blood splattering everywhere... and imagines of their flesh twitching and writhing as they die.

that's evil.

And those movies only get PG-13.. but if there's a naked boob - it's an R.

At the same time National Geographic can show black women parading around with their boobs all akimbo as long as they have a bone through their nose and they speak with clicks and chirps.

America is morrally twisted and no wonder erectile disfunction ads are all over the radio and TV.


I can't help the society in which I live.  I can only do my best to add my influence to it, and hope i can make it better.

Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't expect a response.  You just wanted another reason to take another satirical crap on America.

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Then where do you put the line, because in order to meet above objectives you ideally would have to remove homosexuality from your community entirely. Are you prepared to do that too or you're just going to make their life miserable by preventing them from marrying?
Again, you might deceive yourself into believing that SSM's do corrupt your children in some far-fetched sort of way, they still don't affect them or yourself, just your misplaced and dangerously fanatic sense of christian pride.


I don't have an answer for that.  I take each case as it comes.  I don't really have a "line", just a fuzzy grey area.

You keep bringing up "christian pride".  Could you stop putting words in my mouth?  Or better yet, point out where I said any of my beliefs are based on christianity.

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« Reply #263 on: February 26, 2004, 12:42:45 PM »
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Ahh yes, its the old "where would you draw the line" argument.

As if having "No Line" is better.  

HINT: You live in a world full of lines.


Might be old, is still valid though. And sometimes no line is indeed better, who are you people to judge over other people's lives?

This thread clearly indicates that some, i repeat some, christians are dangerous and agressive. Christianity is this form is malicious, are gays trying to stop christians from being just that? Answer is no. Are christians trying to hinder gays in being who they are, yes by all means available.

Move into the mountains and start a cult, leave the civilized people alone, I'd say...

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« Reply #264 on: February 26, 2004, 12:45:44 PM »
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You keep bringing up "christian pride".  Could you stop putting words in my mouth?  Or better yet, point out where I said any of my beliefs are based on christianity.


General bigotry, moral superiority, whatever suits you...

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« Reply #265 on: February 26, 2004, 12:56:17 PM »
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General bigotry, moral superiority, whatever suits you...


That's funny, I was thinking the same about you.

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« Reply #266 on: February 26, 2004, 01:05:07 PM »
*shrug* some of us think that there are greater values and more important things to do in life than to live out whatever sexual perversion one may have.

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« Reply #267 on: February 26, 2004, 01:07:25 PM »
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Why would anyone ask you to teach about homosexuality.


You gotta be kidding me. Seriously, you don't have a clue how school systems work.

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« Reply #268 on: February 26, 2004, 01:21:17 PM »
*insert catholic priest joke*

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« Reply #269 on: February 26, 2004, 02:16:45 PM »
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This thread clearly indicates that some, i repeat some, christians are dangerous and agressive. Christianity is this form is malicious, are gays trying to stop christians from being just that? Answer is no. Are christians trying to hinder gays in being who they are, yes by all means available.


*Ahem*

Some gays are indeed seeking to force the approval of their lifestyle on the religious community, and indeed do seek to force an endorsement of their lifestyle as well.

I make no bones about my stance- I think the lifestyle is wrong and I don't support it. I can live with the gay disapproval of that viewpoint. It would appear some gays cannot live with the disapproval of their lifestyle, ergo the fight to bypass civil unions and go straight for marriage. And don't give me the legal rights argument, 'cause those can be changed; it's the fight to break into the traditional institution of marriage that is the real goal.

What's gonna be REAL funny is once the gays are satisfied their lifestyle is accepted, how many "made for TV" dramas we'll see depicting the poor misunderstood homosexual seeking his sexual orientation, and how the nasty bad people disapprove. Then we'll probably see calls for "Gay Reparations" and other such nonsense. ;)

Of course that's tongue-in-cheek, but remember, you heard it here first!