Author Topic: Why I didn't join Aces High (Read 4003 times)

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #30 on:** February 29, 2004, 09:55:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Batz
Hohun's assessment is simply "constructive criticism" and he has some very valid points. There's no need to "beat him up" over his opinion. I am sure you realize that this won’t change his mind anyway.

Schaden,

Hohun's isn’t some nUb; he’s been active in many of the game forums and has contributed even if he hasn't bought a subscription to AH. In fact you yourself are still a bit wet behind the ears so we will chalk your emotions up to "nUb fanboi'ism".

You didn't have to read this thread.

Not much in the way of emotion - I simply feel that anyone with 2 weeks playing experience of any online flight sim is not qualified to comment.

However if Hohun is willing to put in the time I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.

I willl purchase 3 months of sub for Hohun on the proviso that he plays at LEAST 30 hours a month. He has to fly Rooks and he must wing up with me on the weekends - his choice of time if he's based in the USA or an agreed time if he's in Europe.

He must take part in the Snapshots and Cap and if we have a another Scenario within 3 months must take part in that.

After the three month period he can then tell us what he thinks.

Fair deal?

nopoop · « **Reply #31 on:** February 29, 2004, 10:02:42 AM »

HoHun I'm surprised you didn't comment on ingame voice. It's a huge change from most sims.

It's funny, when I was over at WB for a trial one thing I didn't like was the fuel burn. You could fly forever. I enjoy the fuel management thing accept when the fuel is porked..

Hey you gave it a shot. The main is the playground, just not the sandbox you care for. As Batz said the scenarios would be more to your liking but they are few and far between.

Keep in touch, your input is always welcome

HoHun · « **Reply #32 on:** March 01, 2004, 04:45:51 PM »

Hi Schadenfreude,

>I simply feel that anyone with 2 weeks playing experience of any online flight sim is not qualified to comment.

Anyone who made a decision to stay or to go is qualfied to comment on his decision :-)

It's up to Hitech Creations what they do with the comments.

>I willl purchase 3 months of sub for Hohun on the proviso that he plays at LEAST 30 hours a month. He has to fly Rooks and he must wing up with me on the weekends - his choice of time if he's based in the USA or an agreed time if he's in Europe.

I'm in this for fun, and I don't believe Aces High will be fun for me. Otherwise I'd not hestitate to pay for it myself.

What's more, I'd certainly pick my wingmen based on my own criteria, and if I'm honest, you seem to be incompatible.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

MotorOil · « **Reply #33 on:** March 01, 2004, 05:07:55 PM »

HoHun

Your reasons for not playing are pretty weak. Sounds more like a whine thread.

1) Radar, do you really want to fly for an hour and only run into friendlies? That would be fun. JB73 has a good point on it. Perhaps HTC can get rid of the radar and hire a bunch of control operators to vector the good guys in and do a good job of it? The point is this is a game and there are some things that cannot be replicated programmatically. Have you tried any Special Events, calendar is posted, you will find no radar in most events.

2) This one really sounds like a whine as you can up from rear fields almost anytime you like. If you're loosing the war that's another story, but then your field will be almost constantly harassed, getting vulched, fuel porked. That wouldn't be real at all... (feel the sarcasm)

P51 with DTs will fly for a very long time, especially if you throttle back for cruising. On many occasions I've kept my alt/speed and prevented getting into those no win situations created by the MTO. If you don't like it try the CTO, the SE, or the Dueling arena provides for some thrilling actions. Simply sounds like you are use to someone else's model and haven't adjusted to AH's. I've had no problem going for 30min plus on a single flight in almost any plane. Had no problem finding targets and situations favorable for attack in that time.

3) This is a whine. General channel, try this command

.squelch 1

Problem solved, don't think for a second you alone are going to control what is said on it, so don't let it bother you. C'mon, it's the Internet.... By the way, there are moderators alive and AI. There are "nice" channels, like squad, voice, one-one, plus a few more options.

Not trying to be a troll on this topic but let's face it, you posted HoHun. If you had come on saying you were disappointed with the graphics, game play and the complete flight model fine. Fuel multiplier is valid, but it is fine for the MA game play and is adjustable for the SP, CT(not sure if they do it there). It sounds like you're comparing AH to another flight sim you've played for years and can't play AH the same way.

Play the Main when you want action and kills.
Play the CT and SE when you want more historical realism.
Go to the DA when you want a thrill kill.

If you want to be king of the Main, you'll have to play for a lot longer than 2 weeks!!!

Tilt · « **Reply #34 on:** March 01, 2004, 05:14:23 PM »

On the subject of fuel burn I think the AH2 fuel model will/does allow extensive flight time at cruise with realistic increased consumption at Mil and WEP settings.

Hence one of the shorted endurance AC like the La7 would last only 30 mins at mil power but upto 100 mins flown conservatively.

Inflight radar is a game play concession for the MA rarely granted in events. You seem to want some measure of "immersion". This is rarely found in the MA IMO except for the (rare) one on one combat between differing plane types fighting an unknown enemy pilot. For immersion as Batz said you would need to play in events.

Channel 1.............. I agree I wish non game chatter on ch 1 could be sent somewhere else ( like the O club)................ I think on these massive maps its should be made local

HoHun · « **Reply #35 on:** March 01, 2004, 05:59:31 PM »

Hi Motoroil,

>Your reasons for not playing are pretty weak.

Get it: I posted here for the benefit of Hitech Creations. They asked, I answered.

I've said everything I had to say about the game in my first post.

The only disagreement we have is in what we expect from the game. Your expectations were met, you stayed and payed.

Mine weren't, so I left.

As this is an excellent summary and I believe I have a good idea where this thread will be heading to next, I'll simply make this my last post here.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Karnak · « **Reply #36 on:** March 01, 2004, 06:28:32 PM »

I agree with a lot of what HoHun said.

Channel 1 is so bad that I have a macro on my stick that I use to squelch it immediately.

The radar I'm not really in agreement on. There was radar used extensively in WWII and I play the game to fight, not fly around chasing dots. Especially givedn the much lower data the visuals provide when compared to reality.

HoHun has valid points though.

Morpheus · « **Reply #37 on:** March 01, 2004, 11:04:06 PM »

uhhh whats going on here? None of this makes any sence:confused:

<-------Looks over head>

Hmmm still dont understand why you would leave the game due to the reasons illustrated in your post. But to each is own.

Oh ya, the stuff on the text buffer... That can be shut off ie Squelchededed. All of it can go away. You can even squelch youself if you feel the need. I do it for fun sometimes:D Pleople squelch me I squelch them its one crazy circle.

I dont get why you hang around posting, and with over a 1000 posts you just now determin the game isnt for you. Again, this is why I am confused. It seems to me as if you didnt give the game a chance. A fair chance anyways.

Also, there are places other than the MA to have fun and enjoy the game and the planes. You have the DA for werking on those fighter skills. Then the CT for a more realistic feel, I might add that the terrian in the CT is just down right amazing for the most part. Some great 1v1 fights can be had in the CT. Or you can go the the TA or training arena. Here you can help or be helped. And last but not least, we have the MA.

I feel that HTC has done a splendid job of giving everyone a little bit if not everything of what we want and try to make everyone happy. Their customer apreciation as far as on line gaming goes is 2nd to none.

That is all:)

EDIT: is there really a way to map a key to squelch Ch1,2 ect? and ppl also? I am a n00b when it comes to this Teknikal stuff:D

Batz · « **Reply #38 on:** March 01, 2004, 11:42:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Tilt
On the subject of fuel burn I think the AH2 fuel model will/does allow extensive flight time at cruise with realistic increased consumption at Mil and WEP settings.

Hence one of the shorted endurance AC like the La7 would last only 30 mins at mil power but upto 100 mins flown conservatively.

The problem with a "fuel mod" is 20,000ft is still 20,000ft. You may compress the horizontal but in the vertical you burn more fuel to get to 20k then you would with rl fuel consumption. It’s understandable that HT would go with a fuel mod to make folks conscious of their fuel but there are a lot of side effects.

I am of the opinion all planes should spawn at normal takeoff weight or higher and there should be no fuel mod. With maps at 512 x 512 the fuel mod should be set at 1.

AH2 may fix some of the inaccuracies in some of the planes fuel consumption but there will still be a "fuel mod". Add in fuel porkers and right off a good number of planes end up relocated to point defense only.

Take the ah 109e, 25 min at full power in the main

yak9t 28min etc

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #39 on:** March 01, 2004, 11:43:19 PM »

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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Schadenfreude,

>I simply feel that anyone with 2 weeks playing experience of any online flight sim is not qualified to comment.

Anyone who made a decision to stay or to go is qualfied to comment on his decision :-)

It's up to Hitech Creations what they do with the comments.

>I willl purchase 3 months of sub for Hohun on the proviso that he plays at LEAST 30 hours a month. He has to fly Rooks and he must wing up with me on the weekends - his choice of time if he's based in the USA or an agreed time if he's in Europe.

I'm in this for fun, and I don't believe Aces High will be fun for me. Otherwise I'd not hestitate to pay for it myself.

What's more, I'd certainly pick my wingmen based on my own criteria, and if I'm honest, you seem to be incompatible.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Henning,

I hope you do find a game that you can enjoy, I visited your site some time ago when I was trying to find out some information about Air Warrior - I was curious as to why it folded - and it was obvious that you put a lot of time into the game and enjoyed it.

Good luck in finding a replacement and I'm sorry you won't be joining us.

Schaden

Pongo · « **Reply #40 on:** March 03, 2004, 09:26:43 AM »

The fuel thing is just wrong.
The radar thing is just wrong.
The channel one thing is self administered.

If you cant afford 15 dollars a month just admit it.

MotorOil · « **Reply #41 on:** March 03, 2004, 06:23:58 PM »

Well HoHun I do hope you find a game you like but I say you will find nothing in comparison to this. Your argument is weak as you post only one item not fixable and it's really not that bad. I too find it strange you have a thousand posts and two weeks online and then come in here saying why you wouldn't play AH. Sounds a little trollish. Granted you're not trashing the game but there is another reason you're not playing. I think you're trying to say the game is not to your liking. You haven't mentioned the player feedback you've received on misconceptions you had about AH.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 04, 2004, 07:19:31 PM »

HoHun, sorry you're getting such a beating from so many people for trying to help Hitech out with your feedback. Don't let it bother you.

As for the critics: HoHun is, and always was, a very competent player, a pleasant poster, and an all-around good guy - even if he doesn't always see things in the correct way. Not everyone buys a permanent account after the two-week trial, and Hitech wants to know why. HoHun told him, and us, too, as a matter of interest. Seems to me that's helping AH out in its own way. The fact that all of us have been regulars in AH for awhile obviously means that we don't weigh these factors like HoHun does. So, big deal.

FWIW, I'm with him on the Channel 1 stuff in the MA. There's so much activity that it becomes virtually useless for maintaining even the most limited conversations. Doubt that anything much can be done about it, but who knows?

- oldman