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« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2004, 08:11:19 PM »
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why are they aggressive? imo its only America and Israels that are aggressive........


What on earth are they teaching young kids in euro schools these days...

While there was a great eeal of mutual conflict in the 1930s and 1940s where even the jews weere terrorists blowing watermelon up to drive the brits out and terrorize palestenians the post ww2 history after the 1947 UN partition is full of outright arab agressionagainst israel.. Tell me what happened in 1948 when isreal was declared as a state? Isreal invaded egypt, transjoran, syria, iraq, lebanon etc right? Those nations only responded in self defense to evil isreali agression....  right? :rolleyes:



The suez thing was a colionia british and french adventure.

Then of course the 1967 war when all the arabs planned to attack israel but they nicely broke up their plan.

Then the yom kippur war....

And so on and so..

And what of the latest violence of last three years?  Did isreal start unilaterally bombing and killing civilans after the impasse in the pece negotiations...


Really where do you get some idea that the arabs are some poor victims?

BTW overlag the arab states had big big well stocked air forces and missle defenses straight from moscow with the latest soviet fighters... Heck some russsian pilots even flew the fighters, yet they were all trouncded by the IAF...
 
You really should read up more on it...
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« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2004, 08:52:09 PM »
Overlag,

I would be offended by your comments but your so uninformed it really is funny.

First every Israeli school from Nursery to High school has armed gaurds. So do malls, resturaunts and virtually every other place where people socialize. And these are exactly the areas that are targeted by the Arab "freedom fighters".

By contrast Arafat and Co. surround themselves with childred and civilians for protection from air attacks as human shields. Not their own children of course. Their families, leaders of Hamas, Fatah, Jihad and others have their families living in Europe. Arafat is a Billionare while his people have nothing(His wife lives in France). He is proped up by governments across Europe that support the Arabs for fear that their oil prices will go up.

Shame on you.  

BTW, As a side note nobody has killed more Palestinians than other Arabs. Hussien is Jordan drove them out after Arafat tried to kill him in 72 and the Lebonese Arabs killed them when they started trouble their. Where are the Arab Billionare oil tycoons saving their people??

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« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2004, 09:52:53 PM »
ok ok, all arabs are oppressive, aggressive thugs that need to be bombed back to the stone age!  happy now?




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« Reply #123 on: February 29, 2004, 07:15:07 AM »
In the 1920s the French and Brits bombed Arab villages, after ww2 radical Jews used the same terror tactics against Palestinians and the British that the Arabs use now. It’s a far more complicated then righteous Jews wanting to return home and evil Arabs trying to kill them.

The Arabs have almost 100 years of conditioning to get where they are today. British and French occupation and betrayal coupled with rabid racist Zionism has had its toll.

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« Reply #124 on: February 29, 2004, 09:32:30 AM »
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the plane is only as good as the pliot


So you're tellinv me that if the greatest pilot to grace the skies was armed with the enormously old, slow and lightly armed first world war fighter; the Sopwith camel and I was armed with a Eurofighter Tyhoon, and assuming we both know how to fly our planes etc... he (or she) would blow me out of the sky with his or her pathetic twin vickers machine guns?

I DON'T THINK SO!

What I'm saying is the pilot does not make the plane but the plane doesn't make the pilot either.

Besides the Harrier AV 80 or GR7 (depending on where you're from) is the greatest fighter of time

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« Reply #125 on: February 29, 2004, 09:43:34 AM »
Yes J318. The über pilot in the Camel would never face you in the air, but rather hide his plane in a barn and wait. When you grow tired of searching for him and go home, he would vulch you on the ground. ;)

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good point
« Reply #126 on: February 29, 2004, 09:47:07 AM »
But whats to stop me blowing that barn back to kingdom come?
Besides I hear the eurofighter is powered by computers so i just stick it in autopilot and play AH until he gets bored of smelling cows and chickens

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Re: good point
« Reply #127 on: February 29, 2004, 09:56:03 AM »
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But whats to stop me blowing that barn back to kingdom come?
Besides I hear the eurofighter is powered by computers so i just stick it in autopilot and play AH until he gets bored of smelling cows and chickens


your example is a bit unfair dont you think :)

but then, how can a eurofighter shoot down a sopwith, i dont think it will be able to stay on its 6 long enough! I doubt the missles could track such a slow plane! lol :lol
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Re: good point
« Reply #128 on: February 29, 2004, 10:02:31 AM »
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But whats to stop me blowing that barn back to kingdom come?
Besides I hear the eurofighter is powered by computers so i just stick it in autopilot and play AH until he gets bored of smelling cows and chickens


You would have to know which barn to blow up, the Eurofighter can't carry enough ord to take out every barn you know. And even if you did hit the right barn by cheer luck, you wouldn't get the pilot. He'd just make a new plane out of some plywood and a lawnmower engine, and come strafe you anyways. ;)

Edit: And btw. while you're playing AH on auto pilot, he's out feeling up French girls. Who's got the best deal? :D
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« Reply #129 on: February 29, 2004, 11:09:54 AM »
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Yes J318. The über pilot in the Camel would never face you in the air, but rather hide his plane in a barn and wait. When you grow tired of searching for him and go home, he would vulch you on the ground. ;)



LOL GS nice painting, what war does it reffer to?

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« Reply #130 on: February 29, 2004, 12:19:05 PM »
The Nigerian civil war. Here's an old post of mine on the subject: :)

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During the Nigerian civil war in '69 Carl Gustav von Rosen and his merry bunch of mercenary pilots played havoc with the Nigerian air force, allowing relief flights to be made to the Biafran rebels and civilian population. Carrying two rocket pods or a pair of sidewinders von Rosen himself shot down several Nigerian jets simply by listening to the Sidewinder's aiming tone through his headset.







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« Reply #131 on: February 29, 2004, 12:41:54 PM »
Batz,

You said

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radical Jews used the same terror tactics against Palestinians and the British that the Arabs use now.


Please show me some evidence of a Jewish Suicide bomber?

BTW, Jews have always been in Israel and Jeruselam and have ALWAYS been the target of Arab terror war before 1948. Just look up the slaughter of civilians in the 1920's at Hebron I believe. I have family that has been in Jerusalem for generations before 1948. Did the British do that to?

Are the Turks racists also?
Are the Lebonese Christians racist?
Are the Sudanese racist because they did not want the Islamist slaughtering them?
Are the Phillipines Racist when the Islamic terror groups strike there?
Or maybe it's Russians doing it in Chechnya?
I know, it's the Jews masterminding the whole thing.  

Overlag,

You said.

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ok ok, all arabs are oppressive, aggressive thugs that need to be bombed back to the stone age! happy now?


How can you bomb people back to the stoneage that are in the stone age?

Here are a couple of pictures from the AP news this week.

here are some Palestinian school children training to blow themselves up in public (Gee maybe this is why they hate us? Because they are taught to!!)
 
And here is a nice family from Hebron in Israel that was driving on the highway. A real nice military target. They were killed two days ago.
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« Reply #132 on: February 29, 2004, 12:50:17 PM »
F4UDOA, the problem is, who started it, Israel are bombing Palestinians, and Palestinians are blowing up Israel's seems fair to me.

If Israel bomb Palestinians, Palestinians are going to bomb Israel.....repeat cycle till theres none left :(

Edit: i dont like the suicide bombers, but i dont like Israel bombing either.........they are both wrong.
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« Reply #133 on: February 29, 2004, 12:52:54 PM »
Overlag,

If that is you feel then great. But don't come out with American and Israel are aggressive.

No more aggressive than the world they live in.

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« Reply #134 on: February 29, 2004, 12:55:28 PM »
I was just going to post about the King David Hotel but what the hell here's nice list of various acts of Zionist terrorism.

In 1931 Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization) was founded in Jerusalem; led by Avraham Tehomi, it advocated armed Jewish insurrection against British rule and war against Palestinian Arabs.

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble.

January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children..

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.

April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them.

The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel, in Dec. 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held for days, despite international condemnation.

In 1968, Israeli commandos blew up 13 civilian airliners at Beirut airport in Lebanon.

The first deliberate shooting down a civilian airliner was carried out by Israel, when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai, in Feb. 1973, on the direct orders of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, killing all 107 of its passengers and the entire French crew.

If needed I can post pictures of Arab children killed by Israelis, do you need me to?

Great racist Zionist warriors...

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