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Offline Pongo

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« on: March 01, 2004, 01:10:52 AM »
Bannana republic coup attempts, fake general strikes, now a fake recall.
Is there anything the US wont support in pursuit of the destruction of Venezuelian democracy? What happend to a goverment for the people of the people?

Ultimatly will Bush be willing to invade Venezuela if Chavez denies the US oil?

Why is democracy in central america so scary?

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2004, 07:47:38 AM »
LOL! you're funny pongo.

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2004, 07:51:42 AM »
Pongo, you'er not a clown.  So why do you try so hard to ack like one?

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2004, 09:28:42 AM »
isn't Venezuela supporting terrorism?

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2004, 09:53:30 AM »
"If a recall vote is aborted over and above the protestations of international observers, Chavez will have clearly violated the Venezuelan constitution he himself drafted, and he will clearly have stepped outside the bounds of even the most bare-bones definition of democracy. He appears, as of today, very close to joining his hero Fidel Castro as the hemisphere's second out-and-out dictator. "


I think this ^^ sums it up nicely.

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2004, 09:55:51 AM »
Maybe someones are thinking that the USmocrazy or was it USOlimocrazy is way much better than democrazy... :rolleyes:

Protec the the way of  the "Nothing wins the cubic inch!" way of life!

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2004, 10:10:21 AM »
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Maybe someones are thinking that the USmocrazy or was it USOlimocrazy is way much better than democrazy... :rolleyes:

Protec the the way of  the "Nothing wins the cubic inch!" way of life!

:D


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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2004, 10:14:09 AM »
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Ahhh, yes, yes...Eviiiiiiiiiiil Ameerika! Deth to Boosh!~


Correct!

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2004, 10:39:00 AM »
I bet his girlfriend would prefer a big-bore, thumping, large displacement engine to a leetle-bitty small bore, whining, hi-revving mouse motor.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2004, 10:45:15 AM »
Chavez is bad for the country, and he's doing great, long-term damage to the economy in order to make short term bribes to the unemployed.  His role model, BTW, is Fidel Castro.
 
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The 2002 strike was the fourth such attempt to drive Chavez from office since he was first elected in 1998. While most strikes tend to be led from disenfranchised sectors, the Chavez opposition is lead by the employed, from blue-collar unions to senior corporate managers. Chavez was elected on a populous ticket with the overwhelming support of Venezuela's unemployed poor. He won a re-election in 2000 to a six-year term. Chavez is openly against globalization, provides free oil to Cuba and established the tone of his government early on by making high-profile visits to Iraq, Libya and Iran. His efforts are seen by some as an attempt to establish a state along the lines of Cuba's Castro regime.

On the domestic front, he has sought to re-nationalize Venezuela's oil industry in order to finance sweeping social programs. Of a practical nature, his "reforms" raise questions about the long-term viability of Venezuela's oil industry to support these efforts, given the relative lack of economic success found with highly regulated state industries.

December 2, 2002, saw the strike commence with a general shutdown of PdVSA following soon afterwards. Oil provides about half of Venezuela's income and a third of its gross domestic product, and has become the political lever of choice for both the government and the opposition.

The Chavez government acted quickly to break the strike, particularly where PdVSA was concerned, bringing in retired and foreign oil workers and using the military to keep operations open. He fired many of the company's strikers, and replaced senior managers with loyal outsiders. Through these efforts, PdVSA was able to reestablish some production before the strike fizzled out on February 4. Today, production is said to have returned to near normal levels, although this is hotly disputed.

While the strikers failed, losing face in the process, Chavez has also failed to significantly improve the lives of Venezuela's poor. Only time will tell where the political situation will settle out in coming years.


http://www.petroretail.net/npn/archives/0308/0308cgo.asp

Generally, he is turning an expanding, wealth-producing international oil industry into a controllable also ran regional oil industry.

[cut and paste, but I did write it to begin with :)]

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2004, 10:47:59 AM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"If a recall vote is aborted over and above the protestations of international observers, Chavez will have clearly violated the Venezuelan constitution he himself drafted, and he will clearly have stepped outside the bounds of even the most bare-bones definition of democracy. He appears, as of today, very close to joining his hero Fidel Castro as the hemisphere's second out-and-out dictator. "


I think this ^^ sums it up nicely.


lol

Thanks Rip.  I couldnt have found a better example of the US state department lineing up the Venezuelan democrocy for "regime change".
The US has been trying to erase the results of the presidential election in Venezuala since they were counted.  Again. Why the fear of democracy in Venezuala?

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2004, 10:53:03 AM »
if we find any oil in canada we will rig your elections too...  probly be better off.

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2004, 11:00:09 AM »
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Originally posted by Pongo
lol

Thanks Rip.  I couldnt have found a better example of the US state department lineing up the Venezuelan democrocy for "regime change".
The US has been trying to erase the results of the presidential election in Venezuala since they were counted.  Again. Why the fear of democracy in Venezuala?


First off its "Democracy", not Democrocy.  Secondly, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying that we want a dictatorship in that country?  I believe that the election results were condemned by an international watch dog group, saying they were tainted. (Shrugs)

Maybe I'm having difficulty understanding where you're coming from, possibly from induced sarcasm that I've yet to understand.

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2004, 11:00:32 AM »
LOL Laz you rock!

I am still chuckling over your last statement!


Laz for President!!

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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2004, 11:10:13 AM »
DETH TO VENREEKA!!!