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Offline miko2d

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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2004, 05:42:04 PM »
Habu: I think he is alive but in a living hell. Can you imagine the stress he is under. I bet if they do find him he looks 20 years older. Much like Saddam did.

 I bet not.

 Osama has spent many years in Afghan caves fighting soviets. Unlike Saddam, hardship and stress are very familiar to him.
 He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever. He is claimed to have said prayer and gone to sleep like a baby on a verge of major battles or when people around him were dropping like flies.

 He has pretty much accomplished what he intended to accomplish in hislife. Politically, he set in motion events that will develop whether he is alive or not. Personally, he has dozens of children that will survive him. Religiously, he is confident of his place in paradize.

 He does not care to lead openly or to enjoy public adoration. He obviously has not an iota of vanity.
 He does not strut in front of crowds, he does not dress in ridiculous suits or borrowed military uniforms, he does not pose for cameras. He does not recite speeches intended to scare the enemy. He does not try to intimidate his adversaries with words or out-argue them. He just fights them.
 personally, he does not use servants or helpers. He has minimal number of bodyguards. This way he is much less noticeable, has only small retinue and those who work with him generally adore him.

 He will be difficult to find, even more difficult to capture and we can be sure that death or caputure is part of his plans that will not upsed but likely advance them.

 That guy is tough.

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2004, 05:47:46 PM »
He's dead

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2004, 06:22:12 PM »
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Originally posted by miko2d
Habu: I think he is alive but in a living hell. Can you imagine the stress he is under. I bet if they do find him he looks 20 years older. Much like Saddam did.

 I bet not.

 Osama has spent many years in Afghan caves fighting soviets. Unlike Saddam, hardship and stress are very familiar to him.
 He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever. He is claimed to have said prayer and gone to sleep like a baby on a verge of major battles or when people around him were dropping like flies.

 He has pretty much accomplished what he intended to accomplish in hislife. Politically, he set in motion events that will develop whether he is alive or not. Personally, he has dozens of children that will survive him. Religiously, he is confident of his place in paradize.

 He does not care to lead openly or to enjoy public adoration. He obviously has not an iota of vanity.
 He does not strut in front of crowds, he does not dress in ridiculous suits or borrowed military uniforms, he does not pose for cameras. He does not recite speeches intended to scare the enemy. He does not try to intimidate his adversaries with words or out-argue them. He just fights them.
 personally, he does not use servants or helpers. He has minimal number of bodyguards. This way he is much less noticeable, has only small retinue and those who work with him generally adore him.

 He will be difficult to find, even more difficult to capture and we can be sure that death or caputure is part of his plans that will not upsed but likely advance them.

 That guy is tough.

 miko


He's dead.

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2004, 06:55:20 PM »
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Habu: I think he is alive but in a living hell. Can you imagine the stress he is under. I bet if they do find him he looks 20 years older. Much like Saddam did.

  He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever.
 miko


So why did he send others to fly the planes into the towers?

If he's so brave, he should have done it himself and staked his claim on paradise.

He's a *****ing Coward.

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2004, 09:28:03 PM »
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He is an extremely brave man, always ready to die and allegedely having no fear of death whatsoever.

 He does not care to lead openly or to enjoy public adoration. He obviously has not an iota of vanity.
 He does not strut in front of crowds, he does not dress in ridiculous suits or borrowed military uniforms, he does not pose for cameras. He does not recite speeches intended to scare the enemy. He does not try to intimidate his adversaries with words or out-argue them. He just fights them.
 



Yeah, he has no vanity... He's the most famous terrorist in the world, having staged the most spectacular act of its kind in history. Every word he utters on camera, and he's uttered quite a few, is aired and re-aired on TV the world over, analyzed, dissected and re-analyzed. All he needs to do is leak an interview to the press and it's all people care about for a few days. Just because he doesn't 'strut' around doesn't mean he's not vain. He's as vain as they come, the difference between him and others like him is that knows how to achieve and maintain fame while others gain it and burn out/die out.

He's brave? How so? Do you have proof that he slept like a baby? Do you have proof that he lead any charges or dived into the crossfire to do something selfless?

The definition of what he does is intimidation by words and symbols. Without words and symbols he'd be a humble, anonymous soldier--which he isn't. 9/11 was a symbolic act, and very effective in that respect. Bin Laden knows full well that fighting a level fight with the US would lead to the quick end of him and his followers. He would become a martyr or a prisoner--which he doesn't appear too eager to become, although his power and influence would grow with that status.

He's an urbane politician who manipulates easy-to-mold minds into doing what he wants... A mastermind who hides behind his hordes and the blind terror they inspire.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2004, 09:34:29 PM »
we'll thaw him out about mid- Oct  and prop him up for display

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2004, 10:11:03 PM »
i'm doubtful, the place where he is hiding he has lots of friends. and they are no friends of the U.S.A. as for 25 million for his head, his friends dont believe they will live to collect it if they go judas on him. no, i believe he has started a chain of events in his life that he has little control over. he is a hero to militant fundamentalist islam and everyone who hates america. he excited those people by attacking the U.S. the only weapons that he attacked with were box cutters and 17 dedicated people. how much did it cost us? alot more. dont matter if we get him. there will be thousands willing to take his place. no, the movement, the idea is something that needs to be stamped out not nessarly the leader. dont get me wrong, im all for consequences
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2004, 10:29:46 PM »
He's hiding in MrBlacks basement playing with all the neato cool sniper gear.
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2004, 11:00:34 AM »
muckmaw: So why did he send others to fly the planes into the towers?

 Al-Qaeda is not the kind of organisation that "sends" anyone anywhere against his will.
 It facilitates and coordinates the individual voluntary activity of its members.
 As I said, he is not vain - if he had any influence in the decision, he must have selected the best operatives for the job.

If he's so brave, he should have done it himself and staked his claim on paradise.

 He could not have possibly done it himself. He was one of the most wanted people in the world. Even with our lax securiy and intelligence, the chances of him getting into US and boarding a plane undetected were nonexistent.
 His personal participation would have surely doomed the operation and caused the capture of his comrades.

He's a *****ing Coward.

 He left a lavish life or a multi-millionaire, several to join a guerilla war against the soviet invaders in Afghanistan.
 Maybe your definition of the word "coward" is different from his.


Capt. Pork: Every word he utters on camera, and he's uttered quite a few, is aired and re-aired on TV...

 Yes. I've noticed. He does not waste spit talking to westerners, like many buffoons. His speeches are quite practical.

He's brave? How so? Do you have proof that he slept like a baby? Do you have proof that he lead any charges or dived into the crossfire to do something selfless?

 Sleeping like a baby and his other exploits could well be a legend, though I see nothing special about them that could not have happened for real.
 I know for sure that he volunteered to join an extremely bloody conflict instead of living life of luxury. There was no safe place for mujahedeen. There was no mercy to them and especially not to foreigh fighters - they were commonly tortured to death if captured by soviets.
 All mujahedeen I saw were brave. He was one of them by choice and stayed there for years. Then he picked a fight with the US. That's pretty much all the proof I need for myself of his bravery - but it is not a kind of proof I could give to someone.

 Of course that is my opinion only and if yours differs, I would not call you any names. :)
 But in case you ever face him with weapons in your hands, it would be extremely unwise on you part to assume that he is scared and would run away.

 miko

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2004, 11:05:48 AM »
What an idiot.

It's no wonder people like Bin Laden get a foothold in the world, when moron's like miko idolize them.

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2004, 11:08:39 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2004, 11:09:46 AM »
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What an idiot.

It's no wonder people like Bin Laden get a foothold in the world, when moron's like miko idolize them.


You certainly do sound like quite a fan, Miko.

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2004, 11:15:48 AM »
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Then he picked a fight with the US. That's pretty much all the proof I need for myself of his bravery -

miko


or proof of his insanity .. the guys a nutbag

I guess this guy has superhuman bravery too eh?

 

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2004, 11:22:35 AM »
Its easy to live a life of fighting and hiding if one is a fanatical muslim.  Its similar to running a marathon if you believe there is a stack of gold bars waiting for you at the end.

What Bin Laden did, and is doing, isnt anything special.  He just had the power, resources, and freedom to pull it off.

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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2004, 11:37:01 AM »
Miko, I really hope you're just playing idiot's advocate with us.

Bin Laden is as vain as any other religious fanatic, prominant politician or high-profile celebrity. This isn't an opinion, rather a self-evident fact that comes out when you look just a nanometer or so beyond the very surface of his actions and his words.

I repeat... He's VAIN. As vain as Napoleon or Celine Dion or the Egyptian Priests who told the Pharoahs what do to and when to do it.

He can say all he wants about acting in the name of god or his people or whatever, but in the end, he's acting on his own behalf and nobody else's. Think about it--whose life has he improved through his actions? He killed a bunch of Americans and international visitors, causing the Americans to come in and unseat a government, not to mention kill a good percentage of his followers. Meanwhile, Bin Laden is nowhere to be seen, but he's as famous and as frightening as ever. Who has he benefited? Himself. Bin Laden is out for the glory of Bin Laden, plain and simple.

Even his fellow muslims, albeit the educated ones, confirm that the 72 virgins in heaven rumor is nothing but a fallacy, a method for militants to get their uneducated, often foolish young soldiers to do what they want. Bin Laden, your humble, brave warrior, is nothing but a manipulating, selfish status seeker, and though he may have had his moments during the Soviet occupation, those moments are history. He's chosen a far more direct route to international acclaim. He's leading an ascetic life right now, sure, but so did David Blaine when he locked himself in a plexiglass box over the Thames.

Concerning his speeches, yes, they're practical. They're practical propaganda that's several levels more sophisticated than anything else produced by Islamic extremists. No, he doesn't shout inarticulate phrases in English while waving his fist. he knows that that's old and stale. He remains calm and collected, very matter-of-fact and casual. He understands that withholding emotion while saying the things he says will elicit ten fold the emotion in his target audience--us, the Western observers. Hemingway used to do the same thing with his short, dry sentence structure, causing his readers to fill in the emotional void in their minds, rather than inundate them with heaps flowery words. Osama is merely playing to the people he knows will give a damn about what he says.

Finally, in regards to his bravery in the face of danger.... Britney Spears could kick his bellybutton and not break a sweat.