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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« on: March 06, 2004, 10:47:37 AM »
"The highest responsibility of our government is to provide for the common defense and to keep the American people safe. "

Practically first thing you read on his website, March 6.

Yet he voted to cut pretty much every masjor weapon system usded by all the services and cut the CIA buget...  

Wow, and people ask me why I dont vote....

Anyway, now ill go see how he aims to create new jobs.
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Offline Sandman

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Re: John Kerry, hypocrite.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2004, 10:51:10 AM »
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Yet he voted to cut pretty much every masjor weapon system usded by all the services and cut the CIA buget...  
 


Could you be any more vague?
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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2004, 10:51:45 AM »
You are taking a logical leap if you equate "major weapons system" with increased security. You are intelligent enough to realize that there is much more to the story than that.
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2004, 11:08:09 AM »
im thinking of taking the money saur owes me for my soul and giving it to the kerry campain :aok
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2004, 11:10:38 AM »
btw, perhaps more weapons dont mean more safety for the americans.
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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Re: Re: John Kerry, hypocrite.
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2004, 11:24:57 AM »
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Could you be any more vague?


I could be more specific but is really neccersry to speell out every big weapon system the military uses?

Be proud of his national security record!

True MT, but at some point the military needs weapons, well at least according to most people not named John Kerry.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2004, 11:41:06 AM »
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I could be more specific but is really neccersry to speell out every big weapon system the military uses?
 


Yes.


Here is a list of major acquisition programs under DOT&E oversight in just 2001 (I've removed the ones that I could find that are not weapons or weapons systems, but left the logistic and support stuff):

ARMY

ABRAMS UPGRADE (M1A2)
AERIAL COMMON SENSOR
AFATDS (ATCCS)
AN/TPQ-47 Counterfire Radar
AQIS – BATTLEFIELD DIGITIZATION
ASAS (ATCCS)
ATACMS BLOCK II BAT/BAT P3I
BCIS
BLACKHAWK (UH-60M)
BRADLEY UPGRADE
CH-47F HELICOPTER UPGRADE
COMANCHE (RAH-66)
CRUSADER
EXCALIBUR (155mm Round)
FBCB2
FUTURE COMBAT SYSTEMS
FUTURE SCOUT/CALVARY SYSTEM
IAV
JAVELIN
JLENS
JTRS
KIOWA WARRIOR (OH-58D)
LAND WARRIOR
LONGBOW APACHE (AH-64D)
LONGBOW HELLFIRE
LOSAT
M1 BREACHER
M1 HAB
M829E3 (120mm ROUND)
MLRS (GUIDED ROCKET)
MLRS UPGRADE (Launcher)
NBC RECON VEHICLE
PROPHET
RCAS
SADARM  
SIIRCM/CMWS (ATIRCM/CMWS)
SIRFC
STINGER-RMP
TC-AIMS II
TOW-FIRE & FORGET
TUAV
WIDE AREA MUNITION P3I
WIN-T
XM 96 LFHG

NAVY

AAAV
ACDS Block I
ADS/FDS
AEW
AIEWS
AIM-9X
ALAM
ALR-67
AMNS/RAMICS
AN/AAR-47 Upgrade
AN/SPY-1 B/D
AN/SQQ-89 (SQS-53 SQR-19)
APR-39 (V)2
AV-8B REMANUFACTURE
CRUISER CONVERSION
CVN (X)
CVN 77 WARFARE SYSTEM
CVN-68 Class
DD 21
DDG-51
E-2C REPRODUCTION
EA-6B
ERGM
ESSM
F/A-18 C/D
F/A-18 E/F
IDECM
JCC(X)
JSOW BASELINE
JSOW BLU-108
JSOW UNITARY
KC-130 J AIRCRAFT
LHA (R)
LHD CLASS
LPD-17
MARITIME PREPOSITIONING FORCE (FUTURE)
MH60 HELICOPTER
MHC 51
MIDS - LVT
MK-48 MODS ADCAP
MMA
QRCC/SSDS
RAM
SEA SPARROW AIM/RIM-7
SH60R
SLAM-ER
SM-2 (BLKS III/IIIA&B)
SM-2 BLK IV
SSGN/TRIDENT CONVERSION
SSN-21 / AN/BSY-2
SSN-23 JIMMY CARTER
SSN-774 VIRGINIA CLASS
STRATEGIC SEALIFT
SubECS
T-45TS
TACTICAL TOMAHAWK
TACTICAL TOMAHAWK MPS/TCCS
T-AGOS/SURTASS/LFA
T-AKE-1 (ADC (X))
TAMPS
TRIDENT II MISSILE
USMC H1 UPGRADE
V-22 OSPREY
VERTICAL LAUNCH
ASROC
VTUAV

AIR FORCE

A-10 UPGRADES
ALR-56M
ALR-69
AMRAAM (AIM-120)
B-1B CMUP ALL UPGRADES
B-1B CMUP COMPUTER UPGRADE
B-1B CMUP/DSUP
B-2A
C-130 AMP
C-130J ALL VARIANTS
C-17A/C-17A UPGRADES
C-5 AMP
C-5 RERP
E-3A AWACS
EELV
F-15 TEWS
F-22
GLOBAL HAWK UAV
JASSM
JDAM
JDAM 500 LB
JHMCS
JPATS
JSF
JSTARS (E-8C)
LAIRCM
MILSTAR
MINIATURIZED MUNITIONS CAPABILITY
MINUTEMAN III GRP PHASE I
MINUTEMAN III PRP
PREDATOR
SBIRS
TITAN IV
WIDEBAND GAPFILLER
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2004, 11:48:10 AM »
sandman, are you saying that these programs have been axed?
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2004, 11:52:04 AM »
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sandman, are you saying that these programs have been axed?


No... I'm saying that "pretty much every major weapons system" encompasses far more than just a few airplanes or tanks. There are the platforms, the weapons, the defensive systems, the command and control nodes, etc...

I posted the list just to give an idea of scale. Kerry has been around for decades. Imagine how many systems there have been in the defense acquisition stream during that time.
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Offline MrLars

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2004, 11:52:49 AM »
Until we have single issue legeslation all this talk of Kerry's flip flopping is nothing but spin.

Ask the Reps who changed their votes on gun legeslation recently why they flipflopped!

Adding pork to a bill is the number one reason that either side changes their mind.

Now, talk about flipflopping....ask yourselves about the many instances where the Prez voices support for a noble cause and then cuts funding to them post haste.

I have no time to dig for links but one instance comes to mind...something that's all too important for our future...our ( your ) kids education.
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2004, 12:05:37 PM »
ok sandman, that makes alot of sence... reason for me asking was that i know for a fact that norway was offered the aim9X, but we chose the iris-t for some reason.

Also saw a number of other projects there that are alive and well.

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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2004, 12:06:19 PM »
MrLars...any scandinavian connection? Alot of norwegians are named Lars :)
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Offline muckmaw

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2004, 12:48:03 PM »
Here's a non-partisan websight I like when I want to check out a politico's voting record...

Let me know what you think...

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm
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Offline muckmaw

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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2004, 12:49:45 PM »
John Kerry:

Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted NO on allowing all necessary forces and other means in Kosovo. (May 1999)
Voted YES on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)
Voted NO on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995)
Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
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Offline muckmaw

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2004, 12:53:04 PM »
Let's see some more of John Kerry

Democratic Party shouldn't be for the NRA. (Nov 2003)
Supports assault weapons ban & Brady Bill. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology. (Aug 2000

Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex marriage
Increase military by 40,000 troops-but no draft. (Jan 22)
Bush misused the authority Congress gave him. (Jan 11)
Color-coded warning system needs to be changed. (Jan 11)
Focus more on human intelligence gathering. (Nov 2003)
Make certain the veterans have benefits. (Nov 2003)
No new generation of nuclear weapons. (Sep 2003)
Automatic citizenship to immigrants who serves in army. (Sep 2003)
Voted YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels. (May 1999)
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
Voted NO on deploying missile defense as soon as possible. (Sep 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
Voted NO on favoring 36 vetoed military projects. (Oct 1997)
Voted YES on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
Voted NO on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty. (Jun 1996)
Voted NO on 1996 Defense Appropriations. (Sep 1995)
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