Battleships?

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
I would say model the Iowa Class Battleships

They are arguably the best Battlewagons ever made.


I read somewhere they would have given the Yamato clas a real run for the money if not outright beat them do to better fire controll, better radar, and better damage controll.


Plus I think they, and not that crappy Hood are the best looking warships ever.

It would have been real interesting to see a Bismark-Turpitz//Iowa-Missouri fight...The winner gets Yamato-Musashi.

I doub't we'll ever see anything like this, anywhere.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
It would have been real interesting to see a Bismark-Turpitz//Iowa-Missouri fight...The winner gets Yamato-Musashi.

I doub't we'll ever see anything like this, anywhere.

Bismarck/Tirpitz were generally second rate ships, little more than updated Baden's dating back to 1916....Iowas would have butchered them. In general terms, Europe produced nothing to compare with the Iowas and Yamatos. Even the KG V class was markedly inferior to the North Carolina class of the same vintage. Note also that the Brits adopted the American radar fire-control suite for their BBs, simply because it produced accurate shooting at ranges far beyond the effective shooting range via optics.

My regards,

Widewing

[Karnak]

The two most important navies to take part in WWII were the United States Navy and the Imperial Japanese Navy.  Sorry UK, but yours was third.

That being the case, and the fact that the CV group is American, I'd like to see a Japanese BB group.

I've diagramed a couple of ideas.  To start with, here are the ship classes that I'd prefer.

Akizuki Class DD

Displacement:
2,700 tones standard, 3,700 tons full load
Dimensions:
440'3" x 38'1" x 13'7"
Speed:
33 knots
Armament:
8 x 3.9"/65 DP
up to 51 x 25mm AA
72 DCs
Crew:
300
Ships Built:
Akizuki
Teruzuki
Suzutsuki
Hatsutsuki
Niizuki
Wakatsuki
Shimotsuki
Fuyutsuki
Hanatsuki
Yoizuki
Harutsuki
Natsuzuki


Takao Class CA

Displacement:
15,781 tons
Dimensions:
661'9" x 68'0" x 20'9"
Speed:
34 knots
Armament:
10 x 8"/50
8 x 5"/40 DP
up to 66 x 25mm AA
16 x 24" TT
Crew:
773
Ships Built:
Takao
Atago
Maya
Chokai


Nagato Class BB

Displacement:
42,850 tones
Dimensions:
725'2" x 113'6" x 31'2"
Speed:
27 knots
Armament:
8 x 16"/45
20 (later 18) x 5.5"/50
8 x 5"/40 DP
up to 98 x 25mm AA
Crew:
1,368
Ships Built:
Nagato
Mutsu


Yamato Class BB (late war)

Displacement:
71,659 tons
Dimensions:
862'10" x 121'1" x 32'11"
Speed:
27 knots
Armament:
9 x 18.1"/45
6 x 6.1"/60
24 x 5"/40 DP
up to 150 25mm AA
Crew:
2,800
Ships Built:
Yamato
Musashi



OK, so those are the ships that I'd like.  Here are the fleet suggestions that I have:

Nagato BB Group:


Yamato BB Group:

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Widewing
Bismarck/Tirpitz were generally second rate ships, little more than updated Baden's dating back to 1916....Iowas would have butchered them. In general terms, Europe produced nothing to compare with the Iowas and Yamatos. Even the KG V class was markedly inferior to the North Carolina class of the same vintage. Note also that the Brits adopted the American radar fire-control suite for their BBs, simply because it produced accurate shooting at ranges far beyond the effective shooting range via optics.

My regards,

Widewing

Absolutely, positively 100% accurate and correct.  It would have been more like who would have fought for the right to take on the Iowa's.

IMHO I said Warspite mainly for aesthetics and her war history.  I would like to see a BB in AH look like the stereotypical BB, the QE's or the late-war Tennesee/Colorado/New Mexico classes.  

I have had the priviledge of serving actively in the U.S.N. while we had BB's in service, namely the USS Iowa, and seeing an Iowa-class underway in the Med. she reminded me more of a thoroughbred than a warhorse.  Of course, if you really want to get badass just go for the Montana's that were supposed to be made after the Iowa's.  Talk about truly devastating.

[Dowding]

The two most important navies to take part in WWII were the United States Navy and the Imperial Japanese Navy. Sorry UK, but yours was third.

Based on what? Without the Royal Navy in the years 1939-1940 the British Isles would have been wide open to invasion. Without the Royal Navy in the Med, Germany would have taken North Africa.

With the Med in Axis hands, you wouldn't have a war.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Dowding
Based on what? Without the Royal Navy in the years 1939-1940 the British Isles would have been wide open to invasion. Without the Royal Navy in the Med, Germany would have taken North Africa.

With the Med in Axis hands, you wouldn't have a war.

The overall war.  The RN certainly played a huge, huge part in WWII.  I just think that the American and Japanese navies played a bit bigger of a role.

Those three navies are the only ones even in contention for the top spots though.  The fourth place navy is so far back that it isn't even a question.

[sonar732]

It would suck if AH would combine a Battleship with the cv though.  The ack would be murderous!  Imagine if you will 2 battleship groups that are running parallel course close together like one of the Solomon maps in h2h.  No field that is close to shore would be safe!  I would love to watch my bombs fall from the ball turrent of 17 and it would be sweet to see a bb go down!

[AdmRose]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
I would support the USS Massachusetts. "Big Mamie" has 19 battlestars, and a sterling record. shes a floating museum in fall River.

http://www.battleshipcove.org/

Been there, spent a night in her Junior Officer's Quarters...then- girlfriend and I had some fun in the forward ammunition hold...great trip

[AdmRose]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
I would support the USS Massachusetts. "Big Mamie" has 19 battlestars, and a sterling record. shes a floating museum in fall River.

http://www.battleshipcove.org/

Been there, spent a night in her Junior Officer's Quarters...then- girlfriend and I had some fun in the forward ammunition hold...great trip

[willsmith703]

sorry guys but if a battleship has to be picked and i like the idea of a "perky" boat/ship that it be the USS Arizona.  In tribute to those lost onboard that ship.

[willsmith703]

sorry guys but if a battleship has to be picked and i like the idea of a "perky" boat/ship that it be the USS Arizona.  In tribute to those lost onboard that ship.

[AdmRose]

Originally posted by willsmith703
sorry guys but if a battleship has to be picked and i like the idea of a "perky" boat/ship that it be the USS Arizona.  In tribute to those lost onboard that ship.

Tributes aside...the Arizona was a Pennsylvania  class battleship...at the war's onset the most her 14" guns could hope to do was annoy her Japanese counterparts...granted she (sorta) offset her small 14" guns by carrying 12 of them as opposed to the later BBs' main batteries of 9. However, her max speed was only 21 knots, making her unable to keep up with any sort of carrier group, even the early war ones. Heck, even the damaged Yorktown at Midway could make 20 knots.

[Jester]

Originally posted by AdmRose
Tributes aside...the Arizona was a Pennsylvania  class battleship...at the war's onset the most her 14" guns could hope to do was annoy her Japanese counterparts.

Bet the Japanese Navy at the Battle of Surigao Straights didn't think that when those "old" Pearl Harbor Veteran Battleships (all with 14" guns BTW) lowered the boom on them.  

[B17Skull12]

Bismarck!

always liked that ship

[AdmRose]

Originally posted by B17Skull12
Bismarck!

always liked that ship

Sunk by biplane torpedo bombers...how sad