Author Topic: Spain Popular Party Defeated (Read 2914 times)

CyranoAH · « **Reply #75 on:** March 15, 2004, 10:59:46 AM »

Wow Grun, you set a new low. Never ever put anyone in my ignore list. First time for everything.

Daniel

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #76 on:** March 15, 2004, 11:04:21 AM »

Well I am royally pissed off that you guys capitualed to the terrorists. I can understand that maybe you are in denial of that and want to ignore it and by extension me....

Is that all it takes to break the will of a free European nation nation these days? My god I do wonder how would you react to a really big attack like 9/11? Would yiu even survive as a nation?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #77 on:** March 15, 2004, 11:20:43 AM »

Grun, we aren't exactly doing too hot over here. Patriot Act, DHS, attacking Iraq in the name of the "war on terrorism", giving more power to the government, airport security checks. Lately people are willing to give up freedoms in the name of security, or in name of the "war on terrorism." That's Al Qaeda's goal.
-SW

Westy · « **Reply #78 on:** March 15, 2004, 11:27:58 AM »

"Who can blame the spanish people for thinking this US led war on terror is a fiasco? "

And who can blame them for pulling out only eight weeks or so before the US forcers are supposed?

Does anyone really expect the Spanish and the remaining meager forces from the "coalition of the willing" to shore up this house of cards being left behind in Iraq?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #79 on:** March 15, 2004, 11:33:00 AM »

Al Qaedas goal is to get us to leave them alone, stop fighting them, leaving them to do whaterever they want to do in the world without interference.

Do you honestly believe that Osama Bin laden sits around in afghan caves and Karachi motels plotting how to inconveniance american travelers at airports? Do you really think that 9/11 was part of his master plan have simpler FBI wire tapping authority?

No!

He attacked the USA because we were getting in his damn way. He attacked the USA because we dont tolerate his behavior or his desires in the world today. He doesnt give a damn whats goinig on in the USA. He only cares what US policy when it affects him and his plans. He hoped that he couls scare us away from fighting him by killing 3000 innocents, it didnt work, not here...

But it does seem to have worked in Spain.. Shameful people, weak people... They are the ones who played righto his hands, by giving up, by giving in, by acquiescing to his demands... And trust me, they will remember how they were able to buy off a European nation, so easily, so quickly - they will remember and mark my words they will try again....

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #80 on:** March 15, 2004, 11:34:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Westy
"Who can blame the spanish people for thinking this US led war on terror is a fiasco? "

And who can blame them for pulling out only eight weeks or so before the US forcers are supposed?

Do people expect the Spanish and the remaning meager forces from the "coalition of the willing" to shore up this house of cards being left behind in Iraq?

US forces arent leaving iraq.. Why do you feel that yoiu have to lie Westy?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #81 on:** March 15, 2004, 11:42:03 AM »

9/11/2001 was a small part of his bigger plan. Remember, he attacked mostly civilians - not just the US government. Create a government that becomes an enemy of the citizens. Apparently the Spanish already disliked their recently ex-government, the Madrid attack was the straw that broke the camels back. If he does more 9/11/2001 type attacks in the US, will the government attempt to become more controlling within its own borders? Fairly obvious it will, it began with the Patriot Act - remember they (the government) wanted to pass a Patriot Act II as well? Another attack, and who knows what some of the people will be willing to do to prevent more attacks following the next one - if it happens. Civil strife followed by a civil war, all he needs is to create a government thats an enemy of the people...
-SW

Westy · « **Reply #82 on:** March 15, 2004, 11:51:53 AM »

Lying? Gruhnherz I think your trolling and your personal attacks have gone beyond reasonable bounds lately. Then again it's Skuzzy's board and the only posters who've need to fret are those who post porn or anti-war/anti-Bush opinions. Regardless of that.

My understanding from readin multiple sources and reports are that Bush and crew are pushing for Iraqi self rule this June and with it the formal end of the American occupation. In the past couple of months the US has been pulling thier forces back to the outskirts of the towns and cities as well as cutting back on patrols. "Permitting" the new Iraqi "police" to handle more of the load. Once "self rule" has been shoved down thier throats the US forces were to be cutback and *most* returned home. All before the civil war breaks out there of course and while Bush can chach that chip in for some election year "points."

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #83 on:** March 15, 2004, 12:01:31 PM »

I'm very upset that free people gave into terrorist murderers so easily. I'm hurt by it. I dont undertasnd how you can give in to people who just murdered 200 of your brothers, sisters, mothers, friends, neighbors, coworkers..... I'm hurt by it, confusded and shocked by it... Its outraegeus. And while i understand that I'm having trouble controlling my emotions regarding this, I cannot just pretend I'm not angry over it, I cannnot just stop worrying about it and the consequences - because you know what? This will only make sure that they try it again in Europe and that possibly hundreds more die... Yet, you cheer this episode as a positive development...

What do Spanish voters want? Did they vote in the Socialists in the hope that that the attacks stop becaiuse the socialists will not fight the terror war any more? If that is true, then I strongly feel they have betrayed thair dead. I feel they decided that there was no point to confront the terrorists and that the 200 dead were enough of a reason to just quit. I feel thats weak and its unjust to the victims - to simply forget them, move on, and prtetend it did not happend by choosing anew goverment thgat wont fight terror war.

Now i understand that you dislike Bush and that you have issues with the way america is defending itself but do you really think that we should habve withdrawn from terror war after 911 like these guys voted to do after the train bombings?

Westy · « **Reply #84 on:** March 15, 2004, 12:09:13 PM »

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that Iraq=AlQueda=War on Terrorism

If Spain were to follow the US's example of fighting the war on terrorism (an invasion of Iraq) then if I were the living in the Honduras I'd be concerned about a Spanish attack any minute.

After 9/11 the US went to Afghanistan. Good move. Now, if all the resources wasted in Iraq had been used in Afghanistan and for action in Pakistan I think the job of finding and eliminating Laden and his group would have been over by now.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #85 on:** March 15, 2004, 12:16:07 PM »

The "war on terrorism" started with 9/11/2001, there really wasn't anything actively out there stopping it. I think there is a different way to go about it, I agreed with Afghanistan - they had to be taken out. I agreed with Iraq, based on the evidence presented - that there were indeed WMDs and Iraq was a threat to its neighbors - but that has been up-to-now proven a complete fabrication. If the war in Iraq was just to remove Saddam, we gained nothing more than enemies from that war and actually created terrorists. Forces are committed to Iraq that could have been in Afghanistan, if Osama and his remaining band of cronies are still even there, providing a much bigger search party to actually fight the "war on terrorism."

I don't like Bush based on his track record. I see him as an enemy of the American people because he evidently has his own vendettas he wants to carry out.

Before anyone posts something from Kerry or about him, I don't like him either so don't waste your time.
-SW

Eagler · « **Reply #86 on:** March 15, 2004, 12:25:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy
The fundamental flaw in your argument is that Iraq=AlQueda=War on Terrorism.

then why does Iraq=Spain=Train=Bomb=AlQueda work?

I do not think it is flawed

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #87 on:** March 15, 2004, 12:29:33 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Jesus Christ Grun, you are a complete *******! If I could I would have kicked your fat bellybutton all the way back to Croatia and shot you in the neck like the dog you are for saying such a heartless thing!

You know, you're right ... we do see who our friends really are after something like this happens. You're on my permanent ****list from now until eternity.

You are correct. That was not appropriate. I am sorry to everyone. I was really hurt and perhaps as an American felt betrayed and I got carried away. I apologize.

Westy · « **Reply #88 on:** March 15, 2004, 12:38:17 PM »

Well I'm sure Senator Joseph McCarthy would have thought the same too Eagler.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #89 on:** March 15, 2004, 12:41:15 PM »

I know my comments have been hurtful. But please understand that I'm also deeply hurt by what happend. No I'm not Spanish and no nobody of my family or friends was hurt by it, but i fear more peple will be hurt because i feel it will encourage more attacls. I'm hurt at the gleeful way oppoents of US policy see this reversal only as a blow to that US policy and not in the broader context where it will likely encourge more attacks and more deaths.

Look I'm an emotional guy and get angry easily and sometimes i dont think too much before saying things, on the BBS and in real life too. And i do get in trouble in both areas. my emotions get in the way of what Im really trying to communicate, and yes I'm personally working on improving that as I know i need to get better - its one of my bad character points no doubt.

I am sorry I said the things I said and upset people, its an emotinal time for us all and I should have been more careful in the way I communicated my hurt and my concern about the consequences of this bombing and the election.