What rights have we lost as U.S. citizens?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Well, Yeagers here. So much for an intelligent discussion.

Later, enjoy being a lap dog.
-SW

[Martlet]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

Later, enjoy being a lap dog.
-SW

Yeah, because that was intelligent.

You still haven't answered the question, but I'm sure you realize that.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I actually did, you just didn't like what I said. Amazing how rabid you people get when someone says they want less government invading their privacy. You can't even defend your position on why you think its good, other than attack the people who question Bush, his policies, and the provisions he's made within the government.
-SW

[Shamus]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Guys
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What rights have we lost?

 I know this admin locked up a U.S. citizen with Jose Padilla, The Supreme Court ruled he needs to be tried, I have not heard if he has yet or is in the process. I am not sure this counts as a lost right though. He was being held using some obscure rules, right or wrong, WE the rest of the people could not be held as enemy combatants.

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Nice troll

shamus

[hawker238]

Yeager, you are just a national treasure.

Its not so much that they are directly impeding our rights as Americans, its the government is creating an expansion of its own rights that nobody can check.  I'm more worried about the long term effect, since it will be a gradual process before we see any true American liberties impeded.

These things can happen immediately during war time as well, such as the passage of two sedition acts, making any voicing of opinion against the government a crime against the nation.  What if the government decided that it disagreed with what the watchdogs (or the femguys as some eloquent individuals refer to them as) were saying?  They'd be criminals, and the government would only be getting stronger with the cut in opposition.

Remember Yeager, true Americans heros such as Jefferson, Paine, or Henry were intense critics of the government, and it was their defense for the rights of the people that prevented America from caving to a much stronger government.


Read up on Federalist/Anti-Federalist debates, extremely interesting stuff.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I actually did, you just didn't like what I said. Amazing how rabid you people get when someone says they want less government invading their privacy. You can't even defend your position on why you think its good, other than attack the people who question Bush, his policies, and the provisions he's made within the government.
-SW

I read everything you have posted.  So I'll accept your answer.  You FEAR you'll lose rights, but in fact you've lost none.


Moving on, can anyone explain what rights they've lost?

[Furious]

Originally posted by Yeager
I havent lost any rights.  Some of these femguys crapping their panties about the patriot act are paranoid seedless balls of cotton.  all fluff and no substance.

If it takes a trap to catch a terrorist, american or not, set the damned trap already and then send the bastidges down to the Git and throw away the key.  fediddleing sub-human rights fembots would cut of their faces to spite their noses.  Dorks!

If you are so afraid of terrorists that you willing let the government take away your liberties, then you are the femguy.

Cower in your little government monitored corner.  Big daddy ashcroft will take care of you.

[muckmaw]

So I've lost the right to store EXPLOSIVES without having someone from the government inspect my storage facilites every 3 years.

OMG...Whatever will I do!

You've gotta be kidding me.

And lets say the big bad government taps my phone and catches me betting on a Raiders game....they cannot prosecute me for that. They can only prosecute me under the patriot act and use the evidence garnered through the act if I am talking about BLOWING UP A RAIDERS Game!!!

Folks...relax.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by muckmaw


And lets say the big bad government taps my phone and catches me betting on a Raiders game....they cannot prosecute me for that. They can only prosecute me under the patriot act and use the evidence garnered through the act if I am talking about BLOWING UP A RAIDERS Game!!!

Folks...relax.

Im sure that you are aware that Federal law enforcment shares wire tap evidence with local and state agencies are you not?

shamus

[jigsaw]

We've lost the right to spank our children. There have been many instances where parents had charges filed against them by onlookers who thought they knew how to be a better parent. I'm talking about spanking within reason by the way. Not punching out your kid in the backseat of a car.

When the TSA was first formed they had the right to yank a pilot's license with no hearing and  no appeal for any reason they saw fit. Basicly catch one on a bad day with a joke they didn't like and you were toast. AOPA fought for, and finally got an appeal process put into place, but the TSA can still yank it without cause.

I think one of the big points of confusion people have when it comes to constitutional rights is what falls under what. Fer instance, a lot of people use the "Someone yells fire in a movie theater" as a freedom of speech, but that actually falls under infringement of property rights to the people that paid to see the movie.

Years back I was a witness to someone setting an arson fire in my (at the time) fiance's apartment complex. When I went to get her out I stopped and told the firemen what I'd seen. A Few days later there was a tap placed on my phone. Once I'd verified it, I called the police and asked them why they'd tapped it. The officer I spoke to was none too happy that I'd found it, and wanted to know how I had. The next day the tap was gone.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I guess thats my deal Martlet, technically I haven't lost the right to a fair and speedy trial... atleast unless I am deemed an enemy of the state for something I may say or may do that could be construed as a terrorist activity. The government works in broad terms, which is cause for my concern... so purchasing lots of guns could very well cause me to be put on an activity watch list.

I know history, and its littered with examples of small things snowballing into a large change in government that holds its populace as their enemy (WWII - Nazi Germany and the Communist USSR for example). I see the Patriot Act as part of that snowball, but not the beginning of it.

Thats where I stand, and you can take that however you want.
-SW

[mosgood]

Originally posted by muckmaw
So I've lost the right to store EXPLOSIVES without having someone from the government inspect my storage facilites every 3 years.

OMG...Whatever will I do!

You've gotta be kidding me.

And lets say the big bad government taps my phone and catches me betting on a Raiders game....they cannot prosecute me for that. They can only prosecute me under the patriot act and use the evidence garnered through the act if I am talking about BLOWING UP A RAIDERS Game!!!

Folks...relax.

I guess I'm just not so willing to give up something so valuable, so easily......  wow.. do we always have to lose something before we see how much it's worth?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by mosgood
I guess I'm just not so willing to give up something so valuable, so easily......  wow.. do we always have to lose something before we see how much it's worth?

You aren't losing anything.  You're chicken little, but the sky isn't falling.

[hawker238]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the striking face of ignorance and apathy: Martlet.




Hahahaha, there are no ladies, are there.....

[Sandman]

So much for "adult and flame free".


GTOra2... try this.