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Offline hawker238

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What rights have we lost as U.S. citizens?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2004, 04:48:53 PM »
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Offline Westy

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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2004, 04:51:00 PM »
I'm sure Marlet would have been a loyal King George subject up until the bitter end. A true Torrey, all for "taxation without representation" and I am also sure he would have vehemently protested the Boston Tea party as being just a bunch of right wing colonial tards protesting nothing, however he's still entitled to his opinion as we all are....


for the time being....
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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2004, 04:55:22 PM »
none

no one here can state an actual right they have lost - just a vague paraniod sense of big brother watching them d/l their next friday night date ;)

looked at another way, would you have your phone/internet tapped accidentaly if like action prevented a copy cat bombing on ur city subway?

these "give me freedom or give me death" 1700's throwbacks give me the impression they'd rather have a Spain tragedy, can you say that if your mom, sister, wife or kids were in the tally?
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2004, 04:55:36 PM »
Least government is best goverment.  Patriot Act scares the hell out of me.

Mr. Franklin said it best, "Those who would sacrifice liberties for security are deserving of neither."
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Offline Shamus

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2004, 05:03:04 PM »
There have been numerous examples stated here, just because you dont accept them does not mean they are not valid.

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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2004, 05:08:44 PM »
Shamus,
 What was I trolling with that statement?
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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2004, 05:13:30 PM »
Sandy
 Thanks for the link.


Man some of you guys need to step back and relax...
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Offline Shamus

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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2004, 05:23:01 PM »
Well GtoRA2

I must have been mistaken, I really did thing you were joking, you and I or any other US citizen can be held the same way that Padilla has been, for how long we dont know yet, if the proper charge is laid by the Justice Department.

Answer a question for me, how long should you be held without being allowed legal counsel in this country?

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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2004, 05:41:19 PM »
Hawker and Westy have done a lot of name calling.  

What they haven't done, however, is provide one single right that they have lost as a result of the Patriot Act.

I understand your frustration, ladies, but perhaps you could focus your attention on the question.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2004, 05:46:12 PM »
Got a little dander floating did I?........some of you guys are tardlickers with bunched up testicles, but thats ok.
No big deal really.  I learned a ways back that internet BBSs are no place to discuss things of an important nature with any level of seriousness, seriously.

I *still* believe government is the people, and right now the people have enacted the patriot act.  It can either be extended or allowed to expire.  The wishes of the people will be expressed through their elected representatives, as it should be.

I dont like the legislated loss of privacy any more than some of the more hardcore perverse liberals on this board but I am willing to do my part if it makes sense.  To me it does -but in the long run I dont believe civilization will survive, in its present state, much beyond  the next 200-300 or so years, so I just play the game like everyone else and try to get some weak entertainment value out of the all the tragedy.  Its either that or go insane, like John squealing Kerry (did you know he is a Vietnam vet?).....

 

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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2004, 05:47:47 PM »
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Im sure that you are aware that Federal law enforcment shares wire tap evidence with local and state agencies are you not?

shamus


And they cannot use any evidence found unless they are searching for that evidence.

Like I said, they could use the patriot act to tap my phone. If they catching me talking about committing an act of terrorism, or aiding a terrorist, or etc, then I'm cooked.

If they hear me talking about chopping up my wife and putting her in freezer bags, that evidence would be inadmissable in court.

And about that Ben Franklin quote...just because someone says something, no matter how great he may be, does not make it so.

There have been plenty of great people through the years that have said plenty of stupid things...
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2004, 06:00:31 PM »
Answer a question for me, how long should you be held without being allowed legal counsel in this country?
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A: If you conspire with terrorists, or are conspiring against the people, you shouldnt be held much past the next available sunrise :D If you are suspected of being a terrorist, or of conspiring against the people, you should be held until such time that you are determined to be either innocent or guilty, lasting the length of time in which war exists.  Better keep your nose CLEAN.

Whats it say in the patriot act about legal counsel for suspected terrorists?  Or, what have the people decided through their elected represenatives, or does congress (the people) allow the president special powers in times of war to declare that enemy combatants be judged by military tribunal?

As I am not conspiring with AQ or associated terror organizations, or conspiring against the people, Im just not concerned about it.

I have yet to see where a US citizen has been held without due process for a length reaching eternity.  Padilla generated such concerns that his detention was justified for the period of time he was detained imo.
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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2004, 06:07:00 PM »
Like I said, they could use the patriot act to tap my phone. If they catching me talking about committing an act of terrorism, or aiding a terrorist, or etc, then I'm cooked.

If they hear me talking about chopping up my wife and putting her in freezer bags, that evidence would be inadmissable in court.
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If you are correct, and I believe you are, the fact that evidence gained under warrant, in a unrelated crime, cannot be admitted in a court of law is a crime in and of itself.  A gigantic flaw in the legal system.  Just like not being able to bring up the fact that a person being tried for a murder commited last month, cannot have the fact that he murdered ten people a decade ago admitted as evidence of habitual homicidal behavior is insanity in all its splendor.
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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2004, 06:11:44 PM »
You continually ignore the answers given Martlet. Have every time the question has bee answered over the past year. It's appears to be some kind of silly, iids game you keep playing here.
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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2004, 06:19:13 PM »
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There have been numerous examples stated here, just because you dont accept them does not mean they are not valid.

shamus


We'll so far we got some jackbooted facists makeing it more difficult to buy toy rocket motors........maybe revolution is in order here.
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