i hereby name...

[mars01]

Bollocks. What you mean is "Waaaah, I can't up my LA7 and be back at the base under attack in less than 3 minutes with an e advantage over the guys who are porking it". Why not up right there at the base that's being attacked?

Brush your teeth again beet your breath smells like s#$t:D

If the bases are close together how can I get to alt faster.  Hello bases closer together, plus only a moron climbs in an LA7, oh wait never mind

Oh and I forgot, you like to capture bases that are undefended.  I can see how the whole idea of fighting other planes would bother you, nuff said:rofl   I agree with you beet, it's much harder to capture undefended bases when the fields are closer together. bwahaahhahahaaaaa

[beet1e]

ROFL!  The old "undefended bases" rhetoric!

Look, matey: There are the following warnings which are activated when a base is under attack.

• Bardar
• flashing map
• radar
• "base under attack"
• siren

...so whose fault is it if those lazy dolts don't get off their arses to defend when a base comes under attack? Don't blame the map. Except in the case of pizza map, your option to up in an LA7 from a field 3 mins away does not exist. You have to fight it out right there and then, and clearly this is what sticks in the craw. Of course, you can still up from a base next door, but that would be 6 minutes flying time! Nope, far easier to abandon the base, and then claim that its captors were milkmaids capturing "undefended" bases.

[HavocTM]

Best times to fight Rooks:

Between 8am and 3pm EST/CST while they are at day care/kindergarten.

Between 4pm and 4:30pm while they have cookies and catch the latest Spongebob Cartoon.

After 10pm on weeknights when they have to go beddy bye.

We need to have a talk with the parents, though.  Monday is a school day and they shouldn't let the little bastards stay up so late on Sunday night!

[mars01]

...so whose fault is it if those lazy dolts don't get off their arses to defend when a base comes under attack? Don't blame the map. Except in the case of pizza map, your option to up in an LA7 from a field 3 mins away does not exist.  You have to fight it out right there and then, and clearly this is what sticks in the craw. Of course, you can still up from a base next door, but that would be 6 minutes flying time!  Nope, far easier to abandon the base, and then claim that its captors were milkmaids capturing "undefended" bases.

There goes beet just like a woman, when shes wrong she changes context.

The context here buddy, is gangbangs.  When a base is under attack by the gang, there is no upping to defend.  Hello, its like you dont even play this game:rofl .  So when its Gang Time forget about upping at the base.

Now when the bases are farther apart, like you like, it makes no sense to up and fly 10 mins to defend a base that is going to be taken in that amount of time.

But, if the bases are less than a sector apart it allows a short enough time to get to the base to try and thwart the capture.  

The old "undefended bases" rhetoric

Your the one that claimed that's your favorite kind of flying.  Tough when you can't stand by your own words:rofl

[beet1e]

Mars

I refer you to what I said earlier, which is that the Pizza map for example, has a spread out front line, allowing activity between many points. Where there is only ONE pair of bases in the front line, a furball/gangbang will spawn between those points. It might start out as a furball, but as Lazs points out - the only factor governing the outcome (and determining the transition from furball to gangbang) is numbers.

"Now when the bases are farther apart, like you like, it makes no sense to up and fly 10 mins to defend a base that is going to be taken in that amount of time."

Indeed, so man the field guns and/or get some GVs onto the field to kill the vulchers. It's not my fault or the fault of the map if you can't be arsed to do what's necessary to defend your base. This whole "up-from-the-base-next-door-and-come-in-with-a-5K-alt-advantage-in-my-LA7/P51" philosophy is soooo lame.

[Kubwak]

but its sure is fun to up from a base thats under attack

go to the flashing base, look around from the tower, aaahhh some mates are up defending, up yerself, hug the ground after takeoff, come back with 2k alt and some e with ya and shoot them baddies down. good practice for sa too

but a vulched base, rarely do i up from it

[Morpheus]

How come Furbies threads always get so far off topic?

wtf you trying to pull Beetle?

Go get your own thread!

[SlapShot]

Hey Morph ... when ya comin over?

Would love to wing with you (and AKAK) sometime and see if I can pick up some pointers in the 38.

[mars01]

I refer you to what I said earlier, which is that the Pizza map for example, has a spread out front line, allowing activity between many points. Where there is only ONE pair of bases in the front line, a furball/gangbang will spawn between those points. It might start out as a furball, but as Lazs points out - the only factor governing the outcome (and determining the transition from furball to gangbang) is numbers.

Activity happens between many points when bases are closer together, not farther apart like pizza crap.  Only action when bases are farther apart is the hord flies from one base to the next.

You are correct though, when you say "Where there is only one pair of bases in the front line the only factor governing the outcome is numbers. "   When you have bases closer together you have more bases on the front line.  Thats what we have been saying all along.  

The problem is that you try to associate the gang with a furball and you are wrong.  But this goes back to you not knowing what a furball is in the first place.  Otherwise you would not call the gangbang a furball and you would stop being so blatantly wrong:D.

Indeed, so man the field guns and/or get some GVs onto the field to kill the vulchers. It's not my fault or the fault of the map if you can't be arsed to do what's necessary to defend your base.

Yeah because those ack last so long when the gang gets there.  What a joke Beet.  Stay in context this thread is about the Gangbang.  There is no defending a base from within the base when the gangbang gets there.

This whole "up-from-the-base-next-door-and-come-in-with-a-5K-alt-advantage-in-my-LA7/P51" philosophy is soooo lame.

Where did you get that philosophy, I can't agree more.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
Bollocks. What you mean is "Waaaah, I can't up my LA7 and be back at the base under attack in less than 3 minutes with an e advantage over the guys who are porking it". Why not up right there at the base that's being attacked?

 ROFL
 Beet your gettin the ladies of The "cocktail hour society" all wound up again.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Hey Morph ... when ya comin over?

Would love to wing with you (and AKAK) sometime and see if I can pick up some pointers in the 38.

Very soon I hope. I had a blast flying for the Nights those few days a while back.

I am going to talk to the squad about the switch tonight and see if we can make the move sooner. If not then we'll be over at the start of the next tour;)

!

[Saintaw]

beetle san, this indeed describes you best in this thread:  

[Hammy]

i sense a hijacking in progress

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Jackal1
ROFL
 Beet your gettin the ladies of The "cocktail hour society" all wound up again.

I know! And they're such good value!

Saintaw! Sorry old chap... I realise there are more than nonante words in this post!

Mars. In the case of the pizza map, the capture of an "undefended" base does not need a horde. You have been at pains to point out that a "furball" is 50v50 or something like that, so I doubt that your definition of "horde" is applicable to 6 guys. So I don't accept that there was "no way to defend against us". There's a difference between not being able to defend, and of making a tactical error. And that's exactly what happened in that P47 session I had on pizza a few weeks ago. In short, they cocked it up. They could have got GVs - actually, a couple of them did. One even shot our goon, who landed instead of dropping troops! But the rest of them probably just buggered off, whining about "hordes of milkmaids".

The context here buddy, is gangbangs. When a base is under attack by the gang, there is no upping to defend. Hello, its like you dont even play this game

I don't entirely disagree with you. The game YOU play during US PT - hordes/furballs/gangbangs (choose whichever term fits best) is entirely different from the game when America sleeps. "Hordes" of guys gangbanging a base on the pizza map when there's only about 70 people online? Erm... I don't think so.

The gangbangery is a function of numbers or, more accurately, the density of players on the map. (That's why kills per hour is a relative value, and needs other factors to be taken into account) Small maps which compress the action into a smaller space plus the sheer numbers that are online during USPT are two linked factors which combine to engender hording and gangbangery. I am not alone in having observed that. Furball has seen it, and that is the subject of his thread...

...and with that, we are back on topic.

[mars01]

Mars. In the case of the pizza map, the capture of an "undefended" base does not need a horde. You have been at pains to point out that a "furball" is 50v50 or something like that, so I doubt that your definition of "horde" is applicable to 6 guys. So I don't accept that there was "no way to defend against us". There's a difference between not being able to defend, and of making a tactical error. And that's exactly what happened in that P47 session I had on pizza a few weeks ago. In short, they cocked it up.

Who cares this thread is about the gangbang hordes.  You changed context to get this to fit your narrow view.  Don't talk to me about your 6 guy attack an undefended base, I don't care about that, we are talking about gang banging hordes here.  Please keep the topic in mind when you reply.

I don't entirely disagree with you. The game YOU play during US PT - hordes/furballs/gangbangs (choose whichever term fits best)

I furball is a large group of fighters, fighting without a care about capturing a base.  That is not a horde or gangbang, where the horde flies to a base completely overwhelms the base by shear numbers and captures it.  So you are wrong when you classify a furball as a gangbang horde.  You think that doing this supports your argument, but then your argument is flawed.

is entirely different from the game when America sleeps. "Hordes" of guys gangbanging a base on the pizza map when there's only about 70 people online? Erm... I don't think so.

So why do you continually talk your BS about furballers and the like when you don't even fly during the aforementioned times.

Small maps which compress the action into a smaller space plus the sheer numbers that are online during USPT are two linked factors which combine to engender hording and gangbangery.

BS.  Map size does not matter, the horde exists where the horde decides it is going.  That is from one base to another.  Therefore as long as there are two bases or 100 bases all you need are two.  The horde does not go where it is forced like you say.  

I am not alone in having observed that. Furball has seen it, and that is the subject of his thread...

You are not alone in having observed the gangbangs, which is what Furball has observed.  You are one of a small few who think the horde is a result of small maps and close bases which again is completely wrong.