F4U1c`s *RUIN* the ground war!

[easymo]

 If you nueter/remove the one plane that can consistantly kill a tank, an defend itself from other fighters at the same time. It FORCES you to meet the enemy in a tank to protect your bases. Like I said. I thought this was a FLIGHT sim.

 BTW. I think whats went wrong here, is they have started giving points for armor kills. Playing wac-a-mole with the tanks and pickup trucks has become a full time job for some people.

[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 05-07-2000).]

[weazel]

 

Originally posted by funked:
Easymo, go back to the ACA.

 I`ll second that funked-I hear the buwwets are twice as big as normal in the ACA,just like your always whining for easymode. Why don`t you go back to it?

(P.S. Don`t let the door hit you in the ass)

[easymo]

" Go play with those kids over there" is the responce of an 8 year old. It is not a rebuttal to my argument

[weazel]

Poor widdle easymode-I guess your jabo accuracy is as piss poor as your gunnery.You don`t have a valid argument,your just trying to hijack this thread for your own purposes.

 HTC has included vehicles at the request of the customer base,and guess what-we`re having a good time with them. Based on your past statements on this forum we shouldn`t have bombers or vehicles,and the bullets should be Greyhound bus sized high velocity star wars guns.Rarely do you add anything of interest or pertinent to the threads you respond to.

"Fools shouldn`t open their mouths lest all doubt be removed"

[HaHa]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
" Go play with those kids over there" is the responce of an 8 year old. It is not a rebuttal to my argument

Hehe I wonder if an 8 year old knows how to spell "response" ?

This is a flight sim ?? wtf have you read the description lately ? planes+vehicles Furthermore ships and possibly infantry will be done in the future.

There is a HUGE fan base for vehicles/ships/infantry. Proper support of these extra elements will definitely increase the # of people in AH. Heck, the reason I subscribed is because vehicles were introduced.

[easymo]

 Weazel. I took the trouble to look it up. since tour 1 I have ran into u 6 times in the arena. I killed you 5 of them. Maby you should work on your gunnery.

[Karnak]

I have some sad news for you guys, the HS 20mm cannon could easily kill even a Tiger I through its deck armor.  The armor on the deck of the Panzer IV is about 15mm, on the Tiger I it is 10mm.  If you hit the tank in the front or one the side (or the rear of the Tiger I) the HS 20mm should bounce off, but the deck WILL be penetrated.  The purpose of the side walls on the Panzer IV modeled here is to give the deck more protection from straffing fighters-bombers.

The problem is that the plane set does not reflect historical reality.  Imagine if HTC limited the number of times that a plane could be flown per tour.  Say, 2 or 3 times the number of aircraft built.  That way the 1C could only fly 800 to 1200 sorties, the Typhoon could fly 6000 to 9000, the P-51D could fly about 25000 to 37000, B-17G about 16000 to 24000, Spitfire MkIX about 11000 to 16500 and the C.202 could fly about 3000 to 4500 sorties.  These are example numbers.  Each side (Knights, Rooks, Bishops) would get their own sortie counter.  This way, aircraft would be limited in some fashion, by their historical numbers.  This would also force the employment of older airframes.  Each side would want to figure out how to employ their Bf-109F and Spitfire MkVb airframes so that the jobs that those old aircraft could do would not absorb the precious missions that the F4U-1C could fly, it being needed for the missions that only it is capable of flying.

Sisu

[weazel]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
Weazel. I took the trouble to look it up. since tour 1 I have ran into u 6 times in the arena. I killed you 5 of them. Maby you should work on your gunnery.

Again-Rarely do you add anything of interest or pertinent to the threads you respond to.

"Fools shouldn`t open their mouths lest all doubt be removed"

[Nashwan]

I really like Karnak's idea. The multiplier could be adjusted to take into account the number of players, so there would never be enough uber planes to go around.

[CavemanJ]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
If you nueter/remove the one plane that can consistantly kill a tank, an defend itself from other fighters at the same time. It FORCES you to meet the enemy in a tank to protect your bases. Like I said. I thought this was a FLIGHT sim.

The Dweeb-1C ain't the only bird that can kill tanks.  I've killed as many as 3 in a single sortie in a P-38L.  While in a tank I've been killed by N1Ks, Spits, P-38s, and even P-51s and prolly every other type at least twice, but those 4 stand out the most.  And, of course, the Dweeb-1C.

quit ya whining and chest beating and go get back in your Chicken of the Sea so we can keel ya

[Sharky]

Hey Guys,

Ok how 'bout we cut easymo a little slack.  

Easy, you may only be here for the planes but that doesn't make anyone who likes the vehicles input less valid or welcome.  You are fairly new to the online flight sim community (at least I only remember seeing you for about a year or so now back in warbirds)  Alot of us have been doing the same old Main Arena furball for years now and like a little diversion now and then.

The fact that we want everything in our sims to be as accurate as possible means people are going to want the tanks and other vehicle to be right.  Personnely I think that trying for accuracy in the Main Arena is a flawed concept at best.  There is always going to be something that unbalances the arena when you put it in an environment it never existed in in history.

If ya don't like the tanks don't use them.  If ya don't wanna shoot at the tanks then don't, there are plenty of planes to shoot at.  But don't knock the guys that do want them.  Having the vehicles in the game do nothing to distract from the airwar and may provide a draw for a bigger player base.

I don't know anything about HT's business but I would be suprised if it's running in the black just yet.  Things that attract more people and provide more paying accounts is in my opinion a good thing as long as it doesn't distract from the airwar (which I don't think the vehicles do)  Now the jury is still out on the easymode thing.  Right now I would vote against it as I am not sure it doesn't detract from the real game.

Sharky

[funked]

I don't actually want Easymo to go back to the ACA.  But if he doesn't like tanks, that's a good place for him.  

I'm not for removing planes either.  I can't imagine it was so easy in real life to kill tanks with light cannons on a fighter.

If it was that way, why did the RAF, Luftwaffe, and VVS all experiment with heavy cannons and rockets for this job?

Don't remove the plane, fix the guns or the tank armor.

[easymo]

Cave, i got bored with the 1c back in the beta arena. I fly mostly 190,s and lately the nik.

 Sharky. My reaction to the thread began with, #2 remove the plane. Removel of a plane, in a flight sim, to accomodate the tanks is absurd. The tanks have improved player numbers, and are a good idea.And as long as the rules are not changed in a way that forces me to drive one. I have no problem with them at all.

[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 05-07-2000).]

[-ammo-]

Guys-- Its not the guns or the F4UC--its the armor. I can't even imagine the talk of "getting rid" of any airplane we got. I love to think that everyone of the AC we get will be appreciated by us!

[CavemanJ]

easymode every time we've been in the same area for the past couple of weeks I've seen you in Dweeb-1C's (note this dinnae mean one of us killing the other one).


I'm begining to wonder about the hispanos.  I've watched and laughed as LW birds w/ 20mm (run from the 30s), N1Ks, Macchis, and La5s make pass after pass after pass strafing my panzer.  the N1Ks I watch a little closer, their cannon seem a little better than the LW or VVS guns (only comparing 20s).  I pretty much ignore ponies, the .50s only tickle.  But a spitfire or hawg shows up and I start sweating because I know it only takes either of them only good pass to kill me.  I've only seen 2-3 tiffies while in panzers, and they were attacking other panzers I was traveling with, so I dinnae if I should be worried or not.

BTW easymo, if the Dweeb-1Cs are killing tanks AND defending themselves from other fighters (ie killing them too) then there's something wrong here.  Low and slow hawgs are meat on the table for anything above them, (yes, even torque, and I've got film to prove it   ), period.