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Offline Mini D

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2004, 08:52:23 PM »
I wonder if any Nazis were good people.  And I'm sure every war was started because of religion.  Yes.  Religion should be blamed any time a good person does anything bad.  That way, any other institution can be absolved.

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2004, 08:56:27 PM »
What was he a nobel laureate in, generalism, vagueness, bigotry perhaps?

Me, I think all wars are started because of pacifism.
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2004, 09:25:27 PM »
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"Without religion good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things.  To get good people to do evil things--that takes religion."


Great analogy Chairboy.:aok
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2004, 09:32:05 PM »
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The statement clearly says that it requires religion to make a good person do evil.


odd...i a mere 16 year old pulled the same meaning out of it as strk...

anyway it cant be right...how many jews were killed in ww2... by people who were most likely otherwise "good" and werent doing it because of there religion
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2004, 09:39:03 PM »
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I didn't miss the point at all. The statement clearly says that it requires religion to make a good person do evil.


not REQUIRED

just ABLE

the diference is that religion is not REQUIRED to make a good person do evil, but  religion, as proven by history, is ABLE to make good people do evil.

organized religion, specifically
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2004, 09:40:29 PM »
How does Mr Weinberg explain communism, an expressly secular ideology aimed helping masses of people but all it accomplished was the murder of hundresds of millions?

If you are going to accet Weinbergs statement you gotta explai that one...

BTW don't be stupid as to say that communism was a religion or a sort of religion, because then you could turn any idealism into a religion and the specific distinction and focus on religion as source of evil deeds would be beaningless.
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2004, 09:42:21 PM »
No strk... the quote does not say "able".  It says "that takes.."

"That requires..." is implicit.

You've modified it to fit your perception and justify reasons for hating religion.  It makes it an easier lie to believe.

It takes belief to make good people do bad things.  Belief that their bad deeds are for the greater good.  It reminds me of democrats actually.

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2004, 09:50:57 PM »
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not REQUIRED

just ABLE

the diference is that religion is not REQUIRED to make a good person do evil, but  religion, as proven by history, is ABLE to make good people do evil.

organized religion, specifically


Nope, doesn't say that at all.

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To get good people to do evil things--that takes religion."


It not only implies that it takes religion to make a good person do evil, it actually flat out says it! lol.

In that statement, religion is the required ingredient and catylist to make a good person do evil.

"That takes religion".....what do you suppose that means? It means that in order to make a good person do evil, religion is NEEDED, not just an option.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2004, 10:39:46 PM »
Stay on em Bud....they mayyyyyy get it soon.

But then again...I doubt it.;)
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2004, 10:42:22 PM »
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"Without religion good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things.  To get good people to do evil things--that takes religion."


Here we go again. How many "Russians" were murdered in the name of anti-religion? Oh wait, those were evil people right? The only good people that do evil are religious. What a crock. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2004, 11:53:16 PM »
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How do you explain the Crusades, Inquisition, Salem Witch burnings, ethnic cleansing by the serbs, etc etc etc?


How do explain wars and gang violence
How do you explian spousal abuse?

None have anything to do with the church or God.

But all have to do with satan.
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2004, 11:55:46 PM »
I envy your life free of the constraints of logic.  It must be wonderfully relaxing.

I'll pull one example of many, the Salem witch trials.  Mobs of religious people stoned, persecuted, and cheered as innocent women were burned because they were accused as witches.  Was there a spontaneous 'outbreak' of evil?  Or were they otherwise good people that, convinced that they were doing 'God's work', were able to murder without a tinge of conscience?
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2004, 12:00:32 AM »
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How do you explain the Crusades, Inquisition, Salem Witch burnings, ethnic cleansing by the serbs, etc etc etc?
 like ak said,,how do you explain the millions of people killed in stalins name? mr anti religious nut him self,,lol biggest mass murder of all time in history! 6 or 7 million of his own people,,,and he didnt have any religion,,,power will do things to anyone,,religous or not,,evil is evil,,good is good,religous or not people do bad things,,cant you see that? clear as day to most of us it looks like,,lol
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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2004, 12:02:47 AM »
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I envy your life free of the constraints of logic.  It must be wonderfully relaxing.

I'll pull one example of many, the Salem witch trials.  Mobs of religious people stoned, persecuted, and cheered as innocent women were burned because they were accused as witches.  Was there a spontaneous 'outbreak' of evil?  Or were they otherwise good people that, convinced that they were doing 'God's work', were able to murder without a tinge of conscience?


hey, there you are!

The Salem trials? Were the people that burned the "witches" good people to begin with? Where is your proof that these people were "good" people that only did "evil" because of "religion"

I can't believe you came back to this thread myself, but more power to you
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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2004, 12:02:49 AM »
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I envy your life free of the constraints of logic.  It must be wonderfully relaxing.

I'll pull one example of many, the Salem witch trials.  Mobs of religious people stoned, persecuted, and cheered as innocent women were burned because they were accused as witches.  Was there a spontaneous 'outbreak' of evil?  Or were they otherwise good people that, convinced that they were doing 'God's work', were able to murder without a tinge of conscience?


Do you not see that there are just evil people in the world.
Some hide behind God and his teachings.

And also people of that era well were kinda ignorant and cant be compared to todays people (not counting Iraqis of coures)
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