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Offline Chairboy

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Appeasement has the expected result
« on: April 06, 2004, 01:30:02 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4651993/

Straight from Neville Chamberlain and your history books, the inevitable consequence of appeasement has occured.  Spain's apparent willingness to negotiate with Al Qaida has been met by threats to do more or expect bloodbaths.

Again, I don't blame the new Spanish government, they're just doing their thing.  I chastise the Spanish voter who was moved to change their vote as a result of the bombing.  Appeasement isn't just something that happens at the government level, it happens in the hearts and minds of every voter in every country.  

This, more then ever, shows the value of living every aspect of your life with the same convictions you argue about politics.  An open mind is wonderful, but when you change your views on something, make sure that YOU'RE the guy at the rudder and not someone else.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2004, 01:34:03 AM »
Yep... :(

And I see GScholz is still deeply in denial...
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Re: Appeasement has the expected result
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2004, 01:58:54 AM »
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[url]  Spain's apparent willingness to negotiate with Al Qaida [sic] has been met by threats to do more or expect bloodbaths.


Ya lost me.

So the real actual bombing that did happen, (your "bloodbath"), was due to appeasement also? If not, what's that distinction worth?

And to what do you attribute that terrorist group's arrest and suicide? Appeasement?

Is this new threat the result of this, erhm, appeasement? Yes, they must be pissed at getting appeased.

And how exactly has Spain negotiated with al Qaeda? (from that article, Spain is deciding to bolster their support of the fight against al Qaeda, and not this bogey man Iraq.)
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2004, 02:07:06 AM »
The Spanish Appeasement, a play in two acts.

Terrorists:

Hey you, Spainish people, please leave Iraq.

BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Spain:

Hmmm, OK! Good Idea, we'll start packing immediately!
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2004, 02:08:35 AM »
More like....

"boom boom boom boom"

Okay, wipe out the folks that did it. Then go after the folks that actually organize it.

Meanwhile....
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2004, 02:11:56 AM »
No, the appeasement happened when the voters changed their votes BECAUSE of something Al Qaida did.  The voters elected a new government because of the train bombings.

Maybe you didn't read what I said:  The spanish government did NOT negotiate with the terrorists, each of the individual voters who changed their votes did by letting Al Qaida change their minds.

The headline, btw, is this:
Group threatens to turn Spain into ‘inferno’


Maybe you selectively ignored that?
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2004, 02:12:40 AM »
If some terrorist or dictator kills your people, and tells you to stop doing something (be in Iraq) and threstens to kill more of your people if you dont pull out, and then you immediatly announce that you are pulling out - well thats appeasement. And unforunately just like the Brits and french found out long ago, the Spanish too are on a road to finding out juat how deadly that inital appeasment will be in the long run, no matter what action you take afterwards.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2004, 02:13:35 AM »
Maybe the people in Spain came around to the idea that their bro's  gettin' killed in Iraq has little if nothing (nothing) to do with al Qaeda blowing up their trains?
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2004, 02:17:17 AM »
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Maybe the people in Spain came around to the idea that their bro's  gettin' killed in Iraq has little if nothing (nothing) to do with al Qaeda blowing up their trains?


It has everyting to do with it. The terrorists directly linked the train bombings to a desire to see Spain pull out.  An al qaeda website said just that in december 2003, that they would make spain pay for being par of the iraq coalition.

Terrorists kill 200 spaniards..
Spain pulls out of Iraq...
Terrorists win..

They dont care if they die, its actually prerable for them. The only thing they care about is intimidating us and making us afraid to confront them so they have a free hand to do their bidding in the world.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2004, 02:19:58 AM by GRUNHERZ »
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2004, 02:25:50 AM »
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The terrorists directly linked the train bombings to a desire to see Spain pull out.


Lets get something straight. The people of Spain didn't want to be in Iraq.

Who cares if the terrorists wanted them to pull out also? Should they all of a sudden decide to change their minds and stay in there BECAUSE of a terrorist act?
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2004, 02:31:52 AM »
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Lets get something straight. The people of Spain didn't want to be in Iraq.

Who cares if the terrorists wanted them to pull out also? Should they all of a sudden decide to change their minds and stay in there BECAUSE of a terrorist act?


Its an intrsting idea Nash, yey how much wight do you wanna put to that and a coorrolation to voting behavior. Because election results one of our Spanish BBS readers provided showed that the spanish people voted for the incumbent Iraq war party in the most recent pre-attack elections after the spanish troops were in iraq...

So even as some polls showed that perhaps 90% were initally opposed to war early last year, the people certainly did not vote that way - even when the socialist party was offering the same out of iraq platform, the spanish did not vote for them - of course not until the terror attacks.


"Who cares if the terrorists wanted them to pull out also?"

Any smart leader who does not want to hand islamic terrorism an easy victory on a proverbial silver platter. The new PM still has a chance to be that leader.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2004, 02:35:22 AM by GRUNHERZ »
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2004, 02:42:42 AM »
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And I chastise you for being an ignorant twit.


Wow, the lefties are getting more concise, cutting straight to ad hominem in one post.  Good work, cuts down on bandwidth and storage requirements.  :)
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2004, 02:45:24 AM »
You're making a bit of an assumption...

90% against the war and +51% for the government that got them into that war can co-exist. There's more to life in Spain than the war.

But whatever...

If you're saying that the population can turn around that fast in a matter of 1-2 years without trains blowing up, why then is it now only via bombs on trains that the reverse can occur?
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2004, 02:46:57 AM »
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Chairboy, I dare you to stand in the streets of Madrid and call the Spaniards terrorist appeasers. I wonder where the police would find your body ... and in how many parts.


And death threats...
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2004, 02:49:12 AM »
Oh no.... yer not gonna get all sensitive are you?
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