Author Topic: M1 and now a AH-64 Apache (Read 1153 times)

Gixer · « **on:** April 11, 2004, 08:21:40 PM »

Suprising to hear that they are getting kills on such advanced equipment. Saw the M1 burning on the news, wondering how they managed to accomplish that given it's armour.

Same goes for the AH-64 saying it was shot down, anyone know what with? As I understood the whole Apache can withstand small calibre hits and most criticle parts can withstand upto 20mm though I doubt that would include AP rounds.

Anyway long time since I've studied Apaches since unfortunetly their not something I get to fly.

~~...-Gixer~~

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** April 11, 2004, 09:03:49 PM »

Well the Apache was hit by a MANPAD...

The Abrams side and rear armor are vulnerable to a well placed RPG hit. Plus its likely the crew would set on fire any disabled and unrecoverable vehicle as to prevent it from getting into enemy hands.

Sixpence · « **Reply #2 on:** April 11, 2004, 09:30:25 PM »

I hear the sand is very fine in the Iraqi desert, i'm surprised the equipment does so well in those conditions.

Gixer · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2004, 09:35:29 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Well the Apache was hit by a MANPAD...

The Abrams side and rear armor are vulnerable to a well placed RPG hit. Plus its likely the crew would set on fire any disabled and unrecoverable vehicle as to prevent it from getting into enemy hands.

Cheers thanks for that. Still must of been an exceptional RPG hit, those things are everywhere I guess.

~~...-Gixer~~

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2004, 10:21:47 PM »

You know, you could have just typed "I think there is equipment coming in from somewhere else" instead.

Nilsen · « **Reply #5 on:** April 12, 2004, 04:18:29 AM »

maybe that was not what he was thinking Saurdaukar, i was not.

However i would think that Iraq now is a good market for rouge arms dealers and getting the "guns" over the borders hould be simple enough.... only the roads would be guarded all the time.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2004, 04:39:13 AM »

Clearly, the Iraqis have obtained Ostwinds.

Hortlund · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2004, 04:44:05 AM »

My bet on the M1:
Probably a mobility kill, then the crew torched the tank when leaving it.

Nilsen · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2004, 04:44:31 AM »

omc funked...i think so too

crabofix · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2004, 06:12:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
My bet on the M1:
Probably a mobility kill, then the crew torched the tank when leaving it.

No way a crew would torch a tank after a mobility kill in a controlled area.
The M1A1 is a monster, an unstopable beast. A flaming M1 would boost the morality of its attackers.
A lucky hit+the law of Murphy is more likely.

Hortlund · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2004, 06:46:11 AM »

Well, all the M1 combat losses in Gulf war 2 were mobility kills + crew/blue destruction.

Besides, there are several ways to destroy the tank if the crew has had to abandon it. Another M1 could put a sabot in it, or an aircraft can drop a bomb on it.

There is no weapon in the terrorist arsenal that would turn a M1 into a flaming wreck. There are several ways to get a mobility kill, for example a mine or a lucky RPG-shot.

Nilsen · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2004, 06:58:32 AM »

The iraqis can with a lucky shot penetrate the rear armour of an M1 and destroy the engine.....dont know about any terrorist tho.

Hortlund · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2004, 07:19:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
The iraqis can with a lucky shot penetrate the rear armour of an M1 and destroy the engine.

What weapon did you have in mind?

Vermillion · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2004, 09:19:37 AM »

If your talking about the Marine M-1 that was on the news the other day.... they did not destroy the tank.

The tank got hit by what a reporter said was an RPG, but who knows if that was accurate. The crew drove the tank back to friendly forces, a small fire (a duffel bag stowed on the outside of the turret was burning) was present on the exterior of the tank, and parked the tank with friendly forces.

The crew exited the tank, with three of the crewmen wounded (one broken arm, and the other two had shrapnel wounds, one with a serious face/eye wound). The Tank was not disabled and brought its crew home alive.

MJHerman · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2004, 09:22:27 AM »

I think I saw the same news clip. The M1 was not flaming. A small fire appeared to be brewing on the right rear of the turret. The crew was bailing out wounded. The clip shows, I think, the gunner climbing out with what appears to be a serious wound to the arm. The driver appeared more seriously wounded as he bailed out (i.e., collapsing on the deck of the vehicle). The vehicle was still mobile in the clips that I saw.

My guess is a partial penetration which resulted in some fragments or spalling internally. The fire seemed to be localized and may have been the crew's kit burning externally. Either way, I bet the vehicle itself could be back in action fairly quickly.