Why are we supporting Israel?

[bozon]

The thing about the US / Isreal realtionship is that you have American citizens (who are really Israelis in their loyalties) who are making your tax payers pour money down a black hole because they have the influence to make it happen.

about the billion dollars myth:
Those "billions" are millitary aid, it's not real money. It's as if someone is giving you coupons to use at his own shop. The US is actully pouring money into it's own millitary industry and grabing Israel by the balls. For America this costs a lot less then it sounds.

If microsoft gave you a winXP CD they could claim they gave you a 299$ (from micro$oft's site) gift while for them it cost about 50 cent to burn on a CD. Now you are at their debt.

The second effect is that the US is killing the business competition. Israely companies are hard pressed to get deals since it's cheaper for the IDF to by from the US competition using this on paper money.
I personally object to Israel's accepting this aid as it is now.

If someone caims to be a jew first and american second this doesn't mean his loyality is Israely before american.
Can't you see that "Jew" and "Israely" are two different things?
It's like saying that some American Catholic's loyality is to the state of the Vatican and not to America.

Bozon

[BGBMAW]

muck...i only read ur post....


We support Isreal becuase the CrakHeads terrosits who should be slaughtered will Kill every last "Infadel Jew" ...To me they wan tto finsih off what the Nazis started...


What I dont get is why Isreal doenst withdrawl..from what ever territory it is camping on....

Then if 1 more suisid bomr coems in...

Give the border countries 24 hours notice you are going to Nuke the country side..

seems simple to me..they teach to kill jews..

[ravells]

We don't Gsholtz, but apparently if it does happen then the chosen few (the fundy Christians) will get on their express elevators to heaven.

Thanks for the response Bozon...did a quick google and found this: http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

It says

(havn't got time to check the slant of the source though)

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by ravells
Actually we did ask for your help and you did give us Sattelite information.

so.........thank you.

We did the rest ourselves.

Ravs

[edit] pour millions into our dental health [edit]

and aim9L's apparently.....

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by GScholz
So it is necessary for Jews to live in Israel because if not then Armageddon won’t happen. Hmm … Do we really want ARMAGEDDON?!

Depends on how far to the right you lean

[_Schadenfreude_]

Just thought about spending all eternity with Fundamentalist Christians......one has to wonder if there is anyway of booking  ahead on this sort of thing to ensure that at least you are able to obtain some interesting conversation as you wait out eternity....

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by ravells
err...right. so the best thing the Israelis did during gulf war 1 was *not* use nuclear weapons in a country in which Amercian army personnel were next door to, and not make the rest of the world decide that for the sake of a couple of scuds they would use a nuclear deterrent.

Well, phew, good thing we didn't use nuclear arms against the Argentinians, then wasn't it? I wonder how 'forgiving' the Americans would have been then?

.

Crap argument...do better next time.


Ravs

 

Hardly

Nukes? Who said anything about Isreal using Nukes? Certainly wasnt mentioned in my post.
Isreal has always maintained it would not be the first in the region to use nukes. So I highly doubt they would have in this case.

For one reason they would have had to have known that no way would the US agree to it and if they had tried to on their own the US would have had no choice but to blow them out of the sky before they reached their targets or risk a MUCH wider conflict then just the alliance falling apart

[storch]

As I look outside from my glass doors I can see an apple tree.  It is currently full of beautiful little anna apples.  It blooms and bears fruit every year.  The apples are small but wonderfully sweet and are my favorite apples.  The tree came from Israel and the apple tree blooms in Miami Lakes, Florida.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Eagler
they used it when they had to and blew his nuke plant to bits when no one else had the balls or desire to do so...

I was talking about Gulf War I.
I seem to remember that attack on the nuclear facilities taking place sometime before that.
The point I was getting at was By not physically attacking They attacked Saddams plan.

Saddams plan was counting on Isreal to physically retaliate.
that is what he wanted them to do. They didnt thus ruining the plan.
So they attacked by attacking the plan and not physically attacking.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Just thought about spending all eternity with Fundamentalist Christians......one has to wonder if there is anyway of booking  ahead on this sort of thing to ensure that at least you are able to obtain some interesting conversation as you wait out eternity....

Oh no!
Now THAT would be hell
I wouldnt want to spend eternity with fundamentalist anything.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by GScholz
So this is hell? Great, just my luck.

If this is hell, what part of hell is the KFC down the street?

[slimm50]

I haven't read every single post in this thread, but read most of them, and I didn't see any mention of the 7-day war. Anyone remember that little dust-up? Basically, the Arabs and all teh other neighbors surrounding Israel tried to roll over Israel because it's a well-known fact they hate the Jewish people and wanted to erradicate them, once and for all. But the Jews kicked their tulips big-time, and in the process captured and held the Golan Heights (I think) for security reasons. I mean, who could blame them? We wouldn't want an enemy who'd declared an unprovoked war on us occupying a strategic location adjacent to our country, especially if we were a country the size of Israel. Anyway, that's how the whole "occupation" thing got started in (modern times). I don't think the Israelis should have had to give it back, the other side started it, and lost. We ain't about to give back Texas, New Mexico, California, et. al. to Mexico, are we?

Now, you history buffs, feel free to correct me where I've erred.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Capt. Pork
If this is hell, what part of hell is the KFC down the street?

That would be in the PETA section.

[jamusta]

Just to put it in perspective. What is going on in Isreal is just history repeating itself. Just because land that is populated by a peoples is not considered a state in the worlds view doesnt make it less that peoples homeland. If your homeland was not considered a state yet some immigrants came to take it over would you fight for it? Come to think of it Europeans have been doing this for centuries. How do you think America got started. The conflict in the middle east will never end in my opinion.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by bozon
about the billion dollars myth:
Those "billions" are millitary aid, it's not real money. It's as if someone is giving you coupons to use at his own shop. The US is actully pouring money into it's own millitary industry and grabing Israel by the balls. For America this costs a lot less then it sounds.

If microsoft gave you a winXP CD they could claim they gave you a 299$ (from micro$oft's site) gift while for them it cost about 50 cent to burn on a CD. Now you are at their debt.

Such a gross exaggeration negates your point. Let's stick with facts. What do you think it costs the US Government to buy an F-16? What does Israel pay for one?