Revert back to old ditance #s

[whels]

Originally posted by Kweassa
SLED, I've tried exactly that in IL2/FB/AEP. As per the result, it sucks.

 
1. Fade-in/Fade-out according to distance (no instant icon popup as soon as bogey hits a certain range..)

2. range indicator limited, or, an alternative in the form of closure/departure indicator

3. plane-type indicator coming ON/OFF according to distances...

 and etc etc.
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some planes in ww2 had gun sights with range marks that could be set. and depending on the enemy plane when the wings
touched each side of the range mark, they were in gun range.

whels

[Sled]

Wow Look at that! I got the board all FIRED-UP again!! You want to know something guys, In the last week I have spent more time on the AH Forum winding you guys up than I have in the arenas flying!!:lol

Oh my! Hmmmm..... where do I start?....... Oh what the hell Lets start with Batz, he invites abuse on himself anyway. Just look at his exchange with MoRphEuS a couple of days ago!

Batz, Batz, Batz. Is that name a reference to your mental state? If you had any idea has to what I do for a living, the thought of me being intimidated buy a video game, would make YOU laugh. Anyway, my score in the MA, compared to MANY others is S**t! OH YES! it's true. I could give a lot of excuses as to why this is. but I don't believe in excuses, my numbers are what they are, and those of you that fly in the MA know what kind of actions lead to low scores.  But that brings up a good point! people who spend a lot of time in the MA. And guess what! BATZ IS NOT ONE OF THEM! Yes that is right, Batz (who is criticizing my scores in the MA) Has barely 56 hours in the MA since December of 2001. 56 HOURS?!?!? Are you kidding me! And 39 of those were in Feb of 2003. So since Dec of 2001, minus that 39 hours, he has 17 hours in the MA! I have 47 hours just this month, and i don't fly anywhere near as much as some guys.

Now granted, during those 56 hours he had a good K/D ratio about 3-4 kills per death. But criticizing from the sidelines is a dumb thing to do, and quite frankly makes you look like a moron.

I would GLADLY fight you in the DA, and I say this knowing that you are probably a better sim pilot, and most likely will win. But I think I can give you a run for your money.

As for the rest of you guys. Give me a brake on the radar thing. I am willing to bet that pilots in WWII would have much rather had the information that we get in AH. I know that a lot of you have seen The History Channel shows that talk about WWII radar. They got a lot of information from radar in WWII but interpreting that info. and getting it to the right people in time for it to be put to use, was quite a challenge to say the least.

Oh.... what do I do for a living? Here's one of our sights.

http://www.powerlineman.com

I will be out of town till Saturday, so I won't be "stiring the pot" till then.

[Batz]

My game handle is no longer Batz.

My previous handle was Wotan. I have flown AH since Tour 3. Before that I did a 2-week trial I think in tour 1. I didn’t fly in the betas.

See where I typed "since I re subbed" above?

Feb 2003 was the Niemen scenario, I returned for it based on a prior commitment to aid Fariz in that scenario. I returned as "Batz". Batz was a temp nik that turned into something longer because I went on the CO the next 2 AH events. When they were over I dropped AH again and I am only back for the Kurland event (actually I agreed to help out with the Ruhr event to gain support with Kurland) then I will leave again until AH2:ToD.

I don’t know when you want to go to the DA but I doubt we can work out a good time anyway. So don't hold your breath on that happening any time soon. I don’t fly spits or la7s so you may be out of your element should we "duel" in something else.

What makes you look like a "moron" is acting as if you are some one who "dogfights" (3 kills per hour and gunnery of 5%). You fly more bombers then anything yet you try to lecture to me about the differences in the SEA and main and the complexity of a furball.

I checked your FSOs score as well. It confirmed what I had thought, you don’t know what you are talking about. However, your fear of change is understandable given the difficulty you are having.

Easiest way to check stats is to use innominates page, saves all the clicking over previous tours.

http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/careerstats.php

[Batz]

BTW way Karnak is right all countries had both radar and radio communication in WWII. AH radar doesnt supply the same amount of info as ww2 radar. The only plus the AH main has is instant data to the pilot rather then through a filter room.

In AH scenarios (BoB, Ruhr) the attempt was made to simulate real dar by having ground controllers assigned to the 3rd country. Radar was set on a 2 or 3 min update delay (dot radar updated every 2 or 3 min) to simulate the filter rooms. The gci would vector in the flights. With no alt info it was impossible to recreate the same level of response as the Brits had as early as BoB.

AH radar provides less info then in rl but makes up for it the main with instant data to the pilot. And of course much more of the area in the main is covered by dar.

http://www.stable.demon.co.uk/general/bomb.htm

Incidentally you are quoting Galland out of context in your sig. He asked for spitfires as an answer to Goerings question about the problems the fighter pilots faced escorting bombers.

Adolf Galland reciting his comment to Herman Goering

To put it into better context

From Here:

http://jg26.vze.com/

Caldwell: By the end of the Battle of Britain JG 26 had established a reputation as an "elite" unit, a reputation that it maintained (to Allied intelligence, at least) until the end of the war. How did you bring JG 26 to the head of the pack?

Galland: The original wing commanders and group commanders were excellent officers in peacetime, but were in no way the best leaders in air battles. Replacement of commanders was the necessary first step. From then on, I led every wing strength operation and mission. I knew exactly what was needed and what was possible in the big air battles.

As my next step I established, documented, and carried out a wing system for bomber escort which was well-known and well-liked as the best one possible. And in 1941, when we had to defend our bases and other targets against escorted RAF bomber formations, I developed fighter defense tactics which had the objective of attacking at one time and in the same air space with the largest force of fighters possible.

Caldwell: What was the Galland escort formation?

Galland: JG 26 was known as the most reliable wing for fighter escort, which was one of the most difficult tasks for a fighter wing. It needs a lot of discipline, and I know that all the bomber wings asked to be escorted by 26. So I think you can say that in 1940, at least, 26 was the best wing for escort. I organized this thing myself, because we didn't have any experience or rules to follow. I split up the escort between direct escort, which flies in direct contact with the bombers, mostly at the same speed, which was much too low. This was about one-third of the numbers - one Gruppe. They stayed with the bombers, and defended them - not the best way, but this was the way that the bombers wanted it. Better is the erwiderte escort ["detached" escort], which keeps the bomber stream in sight, but can go to one side, and if it finds the enemy, can go attack. Even so, after the combat, it must try to reestablish contact with the bombers after the fighting. And then we had the freie Jagd, which flew in advance of the bombers. This was many times the most successful escort. Of course, it was not seen by the bombers, and the bomber crews didn't trust it. I have discussed these tactics with the bombers many, many times, without success. They kept complaining to Goering, who listened to them. For more than forty minutes outside his train Goering blamed Moelders and myself:

.........."What do you want?"

.........."I can't even slow down to the bomber speed, without sacrificing all my mobility."

.........."What? You have the best fighter in the world!"

And this was the occasion that, when Goering asked Moelders and myself what he could do to improve the capability of our wings, Moelders wanted his wing equipped with the DB 601N, and I said I wanted a wing of Spitfires. Of course, that was the end of the discussion.

Caldwell: Why, exactly, did you say that?

Galland: Why? He said we had the best fighter in the world. I said that the Spitfire was better able to slow down, because of its lower wing loading. It was also better able to turn at lower speeds. Our advantage was not in turning, but in flying straight ahead, diving, and climbing. Our turns were not tight enough. So when he said, "We have the best fighter in the world! Don't blame me!" I tried to tell him otherwise.

[bozon]

Please stop the personal insults. This thread was interesting untill 10 posts ago.

The thread is about the icon/range system. The radar issue is also an interesting one but it needs it's own thread - start one is you want to discuss it.

Bozon

[Sled]

No problem Bonzo, and you're right.

[plank]

The only thing that will suffer in my opinion is formation flying. It is nice to know down to the yard how close you are to your wingman. There is a point where realism just becomes dull. What if you had to sign up for a new account everytime you died in-game or when your pilot was wounded it was permanent?

The previous statement should be taken with an aire of sarcasm but my point remains the same. I enjoy realism but only to the point that keeps the game fun. There are things that are assumed of your 'character' in the game. Things like he's strong enough to pull the stick at all times, has 2 arms and 2 legs, never gets hungry, and comes back to live instantly after death. As for AH1, it also assumes that your pilot can judge distance very well. I'm fine with this assumption. I don't want to bail out and spend a week in a trench suffering from a stomach wound, but that would be more 'realistic'.  A line has to be drawn somewhere.

I never had a problem with the AH1 way of doing the icons nor have I ever heard anyone having issues with it until this post but I am fairly new to the game.

Frankly, it won't matter to me in the long run because they're going to do it the way they want to do it in the end and that's that.

That's my 2 cents, guess I'll wait and see what happens at release.

[Flossy]

One thing I have just remembered from AW was that we could switch between 'long' and 'short' icons according to personal preference.  Some preferred the short icons, which only gave the nearest k - 1k, 2k, 3k - and the other gave the longer numbers we currently have in AH.  I always preferred the long numbers, as I seem to remember the short numbers also shortened the players GameID (CPID) to the first 3 instead of all 5 characters.  

[bozon]

The only thing that will suffer in my opinion is formation flying. It is nice to know down to the yard how close you are to your wingman.

I think the friendly icons are still 1 yard accurate. need to check again.

Bozon

[fats]

AW also had that T shape which you could use instead of plain dot for a plane.


// fats