Fighting Breaks out Against Syria and Iran!!

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKIron
There's a lot of people that remember well those 444 days in which Iran held America hostage. Syria has long needed a good bellybutton kikin'. Many American's would support action against these two countries if they invaded Iraq.

Sure maybe many, but no where near most.  Heck Bush's approval rating for this war is falling pretty steadily.  Can you can you imagine if he went to Congress and said I need another $100,000,000,000+ to have another war?  And what's he going to tell them, "Ah, they are an imminent threat to us.".  He would get laughed out of the place.  

And who would actuall fight the war?

[DoctorYO]

And with what army do we expect to fight this war with..  You should check out the fantastic retention levels now that volunteer soldiers have been lied to and stop lossed twice now..

Im shure spirits will be high also especially after doing a year in bosnia, then afganistan then Korea, then iraq, then iraq again.. and then deploy to syria or Iran, or Afganistan..

whole hell of alot time to raise a family no? get that education? heh they are getting an education all right "Be all you can be."

anytroops with brains are going to get the hell out..risk vs reward just isn't there. If there was real threat vs the US then you pull the patriotic card but with no WMD meritless death only goes so far. Note the mass exodus of Special operations for mercenary outfits.  what will be left is substandard lackeys who cant navagate..   those are who you trust to fight your wars for you..  Dont get me wrong well have a few crack divsions left but you should do your homework on guardsmen/reservists K/D over regular active troops K/D... its mindboggling.

next thing you know consription will make up 30%-50% of our force and trust me you dont want that.. Rangel is trying to pass a bill to do just that right now...(while i agree with his principles for the draft it would screwup our whole fighting force.  and undermine the rest of our troops)

Thats why i said in the other post all those who love warfare so much lets see them enlistment papers, trust me the armed forces are going to need you.

You haven't noticed the recent advertising blitz for aimhigh, full steam ahead and be all you can be.. and they make it look so fun in commercials when reality it is far different:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0416/p01s01-usmi.html


I think the Jarines have retainment but thats about it..  They always have good retainment due to the quality of training they recieve..Honor etc...

Eaglers, Ripsnorts,yeagers Targets,Warmongers R US etc..  still waiting for your scanned images of them enlistment papers.  If you sign up now you might get to the combat zone just in time before election and get your vote not counted like in the florida 2000 election...

put your body where your mouth is fellas, then youll get my respect.

America needs warriors like you..




DoctorYo

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Thrawn
And who would actuall fight the war?

Estonians. They are so thankfull for NATO attack planes patrolling their airspace!

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Thrawn
And who would actuall fight the war?

If I tell ya I have to shoot ya.

[Estel]

Originally posted by AKIron
If I tell ya I have to shoot ya.

By the way..... Don't you think, that Iraq war can be the end of NATO in present view? I mean, that NATO can re-organize into clean European defend system. Without USA and Turkish.

Let's look. The biggiest part of NATO members didn't support USA not in politial way nor in the war. From incident to incident, the part of countries who support USA in their operations is going smaller and smaller. USA can arrive the point when their partners will tell: "Thats all folks. Stop. We can not support you anyway. Your interests became too dangerouse not only for us, but for the whole world. We are out. "
In this case, NATO becoming unnessesary element in a global geopolitical system. Europian countries do not need "protect shield " with the label "Made in USA". Also they don't need american military bases. And sure, they don't need "american strategic interest" with the sight pointed to Europe.

How do you look onto this?

[StabbyTheIcePic]

Unless america itself is attack we wont be going to war with any other countrys for a while.  Unless you guys want to sign up ,and make money appear out of nowwhere to fund it. Also you will need to get support from a country in which half the people feel the president already mislead them on the basis for the invasion of iraq. Any talk of invading syria or iran is just tinfoil talk that makes the people that love war get all excited, and not change the channel.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Estel
By the way..... Don't you think, that Iraq war can be the end of NATO in present view? I mean, that NATO can re-organize into clean European defend system. Without USA and Turkish.

Let's look. The biggiest part of NATO members didn't support USA not in politial way nor in the war. From incident to incident, the part of countries who support USA in their operations is going smaller and smaller. USA can arrive the point when their partners will tell: "Thats all folks. Stop. We can not support you anyway. Your interests became too dangerouse not only for us, but for the whole world. We are out. "
In this case, NATO becoming unnessesary element in a global geopolitical system. Europian countries do not need "protect shield " with the label "Made in USA". Also they don't need american military bases. And sure, they don't need "american strategic interest" with the sight pointed to Europe.

How do you look onto this?

Estel, you forgot that NATO regulations have an article making the US a "leading force and main participant", just like Article 6 in Soviet Constitution.

And NATO has one clear and obvious purpose: agression against Russia and it's allies.

Europe is working on it's own armed forces, independant from the US.

I wonder why did France join military NATO alliance in 1999, while there was a strong opposition against slaughter of Yugoslavia among French military?...

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Estel
By the way..... Don't you think, that Iraq war can be the end of NATO in present view? I mean, that NATO can re-organize into clean European defend system. Without USA and Turkish.

Let's look. The biggiest part of NATO members didn't support USA not in politial way nor in the war. From incident to incident, the part of countries who support USA in their operations is going smaller and smaller. USA can arrive the point when their partners will tell: "Thats all folks. Stop. We can not support you anyway. Your interests became too dangerouse not only for us, but for the whole world. We are out. "
In this case, NATO becoming unnessesary element in a global geopolitical system. Europian countries do not need "protect shield " with the label "Made in USA". Also they don't need american military bases. And sure, they don't need "american strategic interest" with the sight pointed to Europe.

How do you look onto this?

Looks to me like Europe would be saying "Hey thanks for watching our backs against the Russians. Listen, we don't need you anymore, so good luck with that whole war on terror thing."

Nice.

[AKIron]

Estel, I think I'd like nothing better than for the US to withdraw both her armed forces and money (every cent) to her own shores. We can make new alliances and maintain a smaller defense force. Plenty of money left over to grow our nuclear arsenal. Of course we'll need the resolve to use those nukes in defense of our allies rather than sending troops. Hey, if I'm gonna dream I may as well dream big, right?

[Estel]

Originally posted by AKIron
Estel, I think I'd like nothing better than for the US to withdraw both her armed forces and money (every cent) to her own shores. We can make new alliances and maintain a smaller defense force. Plenty of money left over to grow our nuclear arsenal. Of course we'll need the resolve to use those nukes in defense of our allies rather than sending troops. Hey, if I'm gonna dream I may as well dream big, right?

:-) You are forgetting few things. For example, some weapon trading contracts, wich are based on NATO arrangements. What will do USA when EU will say: "we don't need some of your products"? I mean a problem of overproduction crisis. You will go again to fight some bananian republic to get another one commodity market? Or USA will shake a nuclear cudgel? Just I'm trying to understand, what way will be taken.

[AKIron]

EU not need our products?!? I guess it could happen.

What do we do now? We've long had a trade imbalance with Japan. We haven't fired any shots over this yet and we certainly haven't threatened to nuke them over it.

[Estel]

Originally posted by AKIron
EU not need our products?!? I guess it could happen.

And what about steel problem? What about chicken meat? The World Trading Organization made a problem to USA metal sellers, due to lower taxes for export operators. WTO found there infringement of rules of a fair competition. USA goverment said - "We will check it." And nothing happens. Also the next problem will be with the GMP. Genetical modified products can become illegal or go for a limited sale in some countries. Mostly because results found by european scientists are very different from the results of USA scientists. For now EU is going to oblige USA manufacturers to make special marks on their products. But as you understand, this is only beginning.

P.S. Sorry, I'll continue debate with you later. Going to drink some beer with Boroda. Without backpapers

[AKIron]

Maybe you're right Estel. Guess we're gonna need to set up more puppets all over the world. Enjoy your beer.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by 101ABN
they are yanking the passes of those that are on the 6 month rotation, like marines for example. i was there for a year with my division and some were going to be there 18 months. they are keeping guys and gals there so the other units can refit. i know for a fact that ill be there again soon. i just got home a month ago and we are running all equipment through Depot level maintenance, and practicing live fire exercises every week. in other words we are gearing up to go somewhere soon. the whole problem started with the rumsfield plan (10 division army). we are spread out so far (korea, japan, bosnia, kosovo, macedonia) so in other words we are fighting wars for a 12-15 division army with a 10 division army.

I was wondering something from a previous post perhaps you could tell me. What is the ratio of rear echelon troops to infantry boots in the current US Army?

I realise it's probably pretty low for Abn forces but on average what would it be?

Bummer on extensions of a tour btw, happened to a friend of mine in the British army and was told by the Sergeant Major "If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined up laddy!!"

Where do they get Sergeant Majors from anyway is there like a factory somewhere stamping them out? Seems like they're all the same no matter which army....

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKIron
Estel, I think I'd like nothing better than for the US to withdraw both her armed forces and money (every cent) to her own shores.

Seriously.  Can you imagine how much money you would save?  

Heck the CIA budget is around 3 billion dollars and the FBI 4.3.

Can you imagine what they could do if of the US government spending 200 billion on the Iraq war if they gave it to those departments?!

It would kick the **** out of the war on terrorism.

Or what about if it went to paying off your debt, or tax cuts.  Cripes about half your deficiate this year wouldn't be there.