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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2004, 09:57:24 AM »
Socialism is the most significant issue so far as I'm concerned and the democrats are heading there a lot faster than the republicans. Read Nilsen's thread on beer in Norway, is that what we want here? http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=115107&referrerid=2410
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« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2004, 10:19:19 AM »
yep... like I said... voting for democrats is voting for a faster slide into socialism.

Socialism will probly have to fail here even worse than it is allready before democrat voters are able to see it.  

To make it simple to see... think of it this way..  are you planing on retiring on social security?   do you find that a trip to the department of motor vehicles is a pleasant experiance that takes care of tasks efficiently and pleasantly?

Now.... if gay marriage and the right to... uh... excise the unborn  are high enough priorities that that you are willing to live under  socialism and not be able to defend yourself then have at it.  

If you feel that your wife or girlfriend should run your life or feel that the best times of your life were  when you lived with mom.... vote democrat.

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Offline Samiam

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« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2004, 10:52:49 AM »
Both sides of the aisle are equally guilty of leading us down the path to socialism and here's why:

In order to get elected, a candidate of either party has to promise to do something for somebody.  The somebody typically has to be a braod group of constituents. In order to get reelected, a candidate has to have shown that he actually did something for a broad group of constituents.

 Doing something  means passing legislation (in rare cases it may mean killing proposed legislation - but how often do you here of a candidate running on a platform of what bills they managed to kill? Look at Kerry now - he voted against some military spending bills for some very good reasons - special interest riders that nobody mentions - and he's getting raked over the coals for it).

The motivation of all representatives is to pass more legislation that benefits their constituents. No matter what ideology is at the root of it, enacting more and more legislation inevitably drives us toward more a socialist society. The mentality that we have to fix  something that isn't right and the way to do that is introduce legislation is equally alive and well in both parties.

The way to stem the slide into socialism isn't to elect more republicans, it's to create gridlock by making the president and the legislative majority are on opposite sides of the aisle. Also, significantly shorten the legislative sessions with an associated reduction of pay and benefits for our representatives.

Here's something to ponder:

The Republicans believe Reagan was a great president - but he was often stiffled by a democratic majory in congress.

The Democrats think Clinton was a great president, but he was usually battling a republican majority.

Their own partiies think they were great because they were not able to blow it by ramming through their whole agendas - which would have been bad for everybody in both cases.

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« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2004, 11:01:13 AM »
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Well move, Northern Aztlan is too hot anyway. :)  We don't have government ownership of production, Funky.  

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What are you talking about?  Government has ownership over ~40% of my production.

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« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2004, 02:18:10 PM »
Modern America kicks ass.  We're not even half enslaved yet!

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« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2004, 02:30:18 PM »
I do  agree with samiam.... the best government is one that is totally gridlocked.   Those are allways the best times in American history.

We call then "lawmakers"  we elect them as "lawmakers" and then we are surprised when they..... make laws???

We need to call em "law revisors" or "law reviewers" with the understandintg that they review existing laws to make them more clear or throw them out entirely... give em something to do.

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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2004, 07:26:36 AM »
The idea that the US Democratic party is the oil on the slippery slope into a US socialist state is just so bloody ridiculous.............


In a country where opinion polls form policies and political funding is provided by "interested parties and lobby groups" then the core stuff will always reflect the middle ground or there is no 2nd term. Donkey or Elephant.


In such instances look to the man and the people he has around him.

IMO the main reason for not re electing Bush would be the names Cheney and Rhumsfeld. But then some good arguements for re electing him would be Powell and Rice.

Who will be in Kerry's team?
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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2004, 08:14:40 AM »
yeah tilt... socialism is bloody well a good thing eh? Course the democrats are no threat to you ...  you are allready a bloody socialist.  

Gawd... will we have  to say "bloody" and drink warm beer and be subjects and all?   And I thought losing human rights like the right to self defense was the worst thing that could happen under socialism.

Get a clue folks... a limey just told you not to fear the democrats.

lazs

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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2004, 08:24:46 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
yeah tilt... socialism is bloody well a good thing eh? Course the democrats are no threat to you ...  you are allready a bloody socialist.  

Gawd... will we have  to say "bloody" and drink warm beer and be subjects and all?   And I thought losing human rights like the right to self defense was the worst thing that could happen under socialism.

Get a clue folks... a limey just told you not to fear the democrats.

lazs


 

uhhh lazs... thats NOT what he said... try again 8)

dude