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Why did France and Russia oppose efforts to topple Saddam
« on: April 28, 2004, 07:29:06 AM »
April 28, 2004 -- ANYONE who pines for genuine international multilateralism would do well to follow the bribes now being uncovered in the United Nations' Oil-for- Food scandal.
Why did France and Russia oppose efforts to topple Saddam Hussein's regime? And why did they press constantly, throughout the '90s, for an expansion of Iraqi oil sales? Was it their empathy for the starving children of that impoverished nation? Their desire to stop the United States from arrogantly imposing its vision upon the Middle East?

It now looks like they it was simply because they were on the take. Saddam was their cash cow. If President Bush has suffered some discredit over his apparently false - but not disingenuous - claims of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the lapse is minor compared to the outright personal selfishness and criminality that appears to have motivated many of those who opposed his efforts to rid the world of one of its worst dictators.

Throughout the '90s, France and Russia badgered the United States and Britain to increase Iraqi oil production. President Bill Clinton and Prime Minister Tony Blair fought them at each step, but then reluctantly gave way. First Iraq was allowed to sell 500,000 barrels daily. Then, on Franco-Russian insistence, it was raised to 1 million, then to 2 million and, finally, to 3 million barrels a day.

Each time, America and Britain - the nations now accused of coveting Iraqi oil - resisted the increases in Iraqi production and urged tighter controls over the program. Each time, the French and the Russians prattled on about the rights of Iraqi sovereignty and the need to feed the children.

Now we know why the French and Russians were so insistent. Iraqi government documents (leaked to the Baghdad newspaper Al Mada) list at least 270 individuals and entities who got vouchers allowing them to sell Iraqi oil - and to keep much of the money. These vouchers, and the promise of instant great wealth they carried with them, bought vital support in the United Nations to let Saddam stay in power.

The list of those receiving these bribes includes France's former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua (who's a leader of Chirac's party) and Patrick Maugein, the head of the French Oil firm Soco International. France's former U.N. ambassador, Jean-Bernard Merimee, got vouchers to sell 11 million barrels.

 

In Russia, the payoff chain reached right into the "office of the Russian president." President Vladimir Putin's Peace and Unity Party also got vouchers, as did the Soviet-era Prime Minister Nikolai Ryzhkov and the Russian Orthodox Church. Nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky shared in the largesse.

Not to be left behind, the Rev. Jean Marie Benjamin of the Vatican got the rights to sell 4.5 million barrels as recompense for setting up a meeting between Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz and the pope.

Indeed, the list indicates that Benon Sevan, the United Nations official in charge of the Oil-for-Food program. received vouchers. He denies the charge, but has decided to retire next month anyway.

At the start of the Oil-for-Food program, America and Britain proposed that the money flow only to accounts entirely controlled by the United Nations. Soon this standard was lowered to include accounts not actually controlled by the United Nations, but only monitored by it.

Then-Sen. Frank Murkowski (R-Alaska) warned that "oil is fungible" and noted that once Iraq was allowed to pump and sell it, Saddam could sell all he wanted outside of officially sanctioned channels and nobody could tell which black liquid was legal and which not. But nobody imagined that there were actual bribes going to specific French, Russian and U.N. officials as part of the program.

Now it appears that Secretary-General Kofi Annan's sanctimonious posturing may have concealed oil bribes which reached high up in the ranks of the U.N. organization itself.

The defect of international coalitions is that they include the just and the unjust, the bribed and the honest, the democratic and the autocratic. And their members cannot be trusted equally. The group that stood up and backed the invasion of Iraq was nicknamed "the Coalition of the Willing." Now it appears it was also "the Coalition of the Honest."

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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2004, 07:38:06 AM »
1) cite your source.
2) This isn't new... it's been running around the net for quite some time.  Nobody really cares.

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2004, 07:39:59 AM »
We are now getting some info into the "Oil for shutting the F*** up" program.  

To bad the UN is trying so hard to make the investigation toothless.  If this were an American scandal I bet we would see screams from the concerned press of Europe.  I did a search on the BBC for "Oil for Food" and the  pickings were slim.  I am sure its being covered but it dosnt seem to be stirring up any excitement from the press.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2004, 07:41:04 AM »
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1) cite your source.
2) This isn't new... it's been running around the net for quite some time.  Nobody really cares.



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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2004, 07:53:21 AM »
As they're saying, this has been around a long time.  A lot of us suspect it's true, but has there been a 'smoking gun' type discovery?

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2004, 08:12:05 AM »
Yeah, i've been saying this from way before all the press sources jumped on the bandwagon.


But the problem is that it's France and Germany, not russia that really stood to lose from Iraq being free.
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2004, 09:34:24 AM »
So Bush, Blair and Cheney terminated the "German_French_Russian_IraqiBa theRegime" cartel and replaced it with the "US_UK_Haliburton_IraqiExpatri otPuppets" scam.  The cost being nothing to them but to the US public it's running at "only" several hundred US lives and over one hundred BILLION in US taxpayers $$$.  And the cost, in blood and dollars, continues to climb rapidly.


http://costofwar.com/
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2004, 09:38:21 AM »
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The New York Post


Considered by many to be a tabloid, not to say it isn't true. Btw, hijack time.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/04/28/wine_cigars_deer_head____charge_it_to_uncle_sam/
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2004, 10:52:06 AM »
"Why did France and Russia oppose efforts to topple Saddam"


Because rightly like the rest of the world they realised that it was a bad idea to do so with force.

Unfortunetly England with it's poodle PM didn't follow suit.


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Re: Why did France and Russia oppose efforts to topple Saddam
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2004, 12:11:41 PM »
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In Russia, the payoff chain reached right into the "office of the Russian president." President Vladimir Putin's Peace and Unity Party also got vouchers, as did the Soviet-era Prime Minister Nikolai Ryzhkov and the Russian Orthodox Church. Nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky shared in the largesse.


Putin's Peace and Unity Party? Did I miss something?

Nikolay Ryzhkov? That's cool! He was fired in 1990, before the first Gulf War.

Russian Orthodox church? I am an atheist and don't follow religious news, but I must say that I didn't hear any statements from Church officials regarding agression against Iraq and occupation regime.

Looks like sucking "facts" out of fingers becomes more and more popular practice in the "land of free" to justify their agression. Now they don't even bother to check with the reality before publishing their righteous hallucinations.

Yes, Russians are always to blame.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 12:26:13 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 01:06:57 PM »
Let me put this straight.

France and Germany got almost all of their oil from Iraq at dirt cheap prices.  Saddam himself took every penny made from the oil and saved it.  Even if it was a low rate, there was a lot of oil so he was funneling a lot of money to himself, probably giving some money to his croneys.


Now, speaking hypothetically as in before the war took place, what do you think the reaction from France and Germany would be?

Suddenly, Iraq is free and the people know that France and Germany have been totally dicking them over.  IF and only if, the Iraqi people felt like selling any oil at all to France or Germany, it would be for astronomical prices.

Now, the French and German government see this and damn near **** themselves when they realize what will happen.  They claim "Moral objections" to it to try to swing the world against the US.  They ***WANT*** UN support ***ONLY*** so that they can somewhat redeem themselves and get oil for a fair price.

But now the US and a bunch of other nations have committed troops to free Iraq.  Not that I'm saying this war was about oil for the US, but who do you think that iraq will be nicest to when selling oil again?





BTW, during the war the US caught a few eighteen wheelers headed for syria that had a few billion dollars of Saddam's money in the back.  This was all given to the people.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 01:46:00 PM »
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BTW, during the war the US caught a few eighteen wheelers headed for syria that had a few billion dollars of Saddam's money in the back.  This was all given to the people.


This is so funny that I simply don't know what to say.

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2004, 01:46:23 PM »
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Considered by many to be a tabloid, not to say it isn't true. Btw, hijack time.

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tabloids are more reputable

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2004, 01:51:06 PM »
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tabloids are more reputable


Um, New York Times is tabloid stuff, just look at the reporters making up false stories.