Author Topic: Prisoner Abuse (Read 7336 times)

Rolex · « **Reply #75 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:20:22 PM »

It was kind of ironic that one of the reservists charged in these instances claimed that he had little or no training and was therefore not culpable for his actions. The irony was that his job in civilian life was a prison guard.

The comment insinuating that having something happen to your buds is some justification for twisted vigilante reprisal makes the jailer no better than the jailed.

In a civilized society, the leadership allowing this to happen under their watch must be held openly accountable - swiftly. They are obvious failures as leaders. Not so much for the foreign image of America, but for the soul of Americans.

Steve · « **Reply #76 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:29:02 PM »

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It was kind of ironic that one of the reservists charged in these instances claimed that he had little or no training and was therefore not culpable for his actions.

I hadn't heard this. I don't know whether to laugh or be sickened by this. I know I'm asking the obvious here, but since when is training required(beyond being brought up in a civilized society) for common sense and human decency?
Were I this guys parents, I'd be emabarrassed by his words as well as his actions.

Steve · « **Reply #77 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:42:13 PM »

Naso, Ravs, Saburo!!!!!! ~~guys.~~

capt. apathy · « **Reply #78 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:51:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Were I this guys parents, I'd be emabarrassed by his words as well as his actions.

agreed, quite a slam on your own upbringing, to try to use that out.

so what if you wheren't trained to know this wasn't allowed? who the hell trained them to think that it was?

stiehl · « **Reply #79 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:43:41 PM »

An example must be made here, an example that will show the arab world, and the world in general, that the US government and the US Armed Forces do not condone nor tolerate this form of conduct. These people have dishonored their uniforms and they have brought shame to this nation and to all those who wear the uniform with honor, courage, and selflessness.

txmx · « **Reply #80 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:50:18 PM »

Steve I knew I liked you for a good reason YOU make good sense from time to time sir!

I am with you 100% on your statement.

Tumor · « **Reply #81 on:** May 06, 2004, 06:57:00 PM »

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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Are you justifying their behavior? If the administration is too ****ing incompetant to stop their people from killing unarmed prisoners, then Bush needs to be dragged out of the Oval Office kicking and screaming like the spoiled crybaby **** he is and thrown in a cage for little children to mock.

We are just as bad as the Saddam's goons now, and we have people justifying the behavior, just like Saddam did.

Good grief calm DOWN. Ya know, like it or not, there are a number of IDIOTS who manage to get into the military. Blame Bush all you want, your wasting oxygen.

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #82 on:** May 07, 2004, 12:44:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Good grief calm DOWN. Ya know, like it or not, there are a number of IDIOTS who manage to get into the military. Blame Bush all you want, your wasting oxygen.

It just really bothers me to hear people defending the actions of these scumbags.

txmx · « **Reply #83 on:** May 07, 2004, 02:16:22 AM »

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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
It just really bothers me to hear people defending the actions of these scumbags.

These scumbags as you call them are American service men and women .
People who chose to wear the uniform of there country.

Did they screw the pooch on this one YOU BET They did and at the worst possible time.

But undertsand that they are young people in a hostile country watching friends die every day!

Dont you dare judge them unless you are prepared to put on there uniform and go there and do THERE job.

Steve · « **Reply #84 on:** May 07, 2004, 02:23:32 AM »

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We are just as bad as the Saddam's goons now, and we have people justifying the behavior, just like Saddam did.

Yes, you are sooo right! We have a very few exceptions who are going to face criminal charges and who are being met w/ scorn by their peers and almost all of the U.S. and they are just like Saddam's goons. I agree, forcing them into humiliating poses and taking pictures is at LEAST as evil as murdering them by throwing them in a wood chipper. It's much worse than raping women while the rest of the family is forced to watch. Oh man, we are MUCH worse than Saddam's goons. I bet we humiliated at least 30, maybe even 100 Iraqi troops. Humiliating this many people is at LEAST as bad as the 100's of thousands murdered under the Saddam regime. And much worse than all the raping and maiming that took place.

Remember the citizens that were recently tortured, killed, mutilated, then had their bodies hung from a bridge? Yes, the Iraqi's in the pictures are MUCH worse off, those guys hanging from the bridge got off easy.

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #85 on:** May 07, 2004, 07:41:07 AM »

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Originally posted by txmx
These scumbags as you call them are American service men and women .
People who chose to wear the uniform of there country.

Did they screw the pooch on this one YOU BET They did and at the worst possible time.

But undertsand that they are young people in a hostile country watching friends die every day!

Dont you dare judge them unless you are prepared to put on there uniform and go there and do THERE job.

It is THEIR job.(sorry for being a grammar nazi). I will judge them for their actions. I pay their salarys, as do millions of other americans. When they stoop to the level of the enemy they become no better. They are scum, and anyone who defends them is an idiot with pinko colored glasses on.

ravells · « **Reply #86 on:** May 07, 2004, 07:53:55 AM »

It's 'grammar'....sorry, but just had to point that out

Ravs

Westy · « **Reply #87 on:** May 07, 2004, 09:34:45 AM »

just a "few" exceptions were doing this? bull.

"...the practice against Iraqis was commonplace."

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=2ID2LKYLIBDOACRBAEZSFFA?type=topNews&storyID=5073163

and more.....

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=2ID2LKYLIBDOACRBAEZSFFA?type=topNews&storyID=5073940

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #88 on:** May 07, 2004, 11:08:43 AM »

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Originally posted by ravells
It's 'grammar'....sorry, but just had to point that out

Ravs

NOOOOOOOOO.

BTW rummy just ammited it was more then commonplace. That is was practice. Under a hail of fire rumsfeld chants from the gallery.

ravells · « **Reply #89 on:** May 07, 2004, 11:33:28 AM »

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BTW rummy just ammited it was more then commonplace. That is was practice.

If this was common practice and known about by the US Army then that is shocking indeed and the people at the top will have to take responsibility for it.

Ravs