Author Topic: Irony in Iraq? (Read 2181 times)

muckmaw · « **Reply #30 on:** May 06, 2004, 02:47:49 PM »

Boroda has got to be the ultimate troll!

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #31 on:** May 06, 2004, 02:57:56 PM »

Dont let a camera and 15 people holding signs scare you into thinking the entire country is in turmoil.

Half these frikken protests are probably organized by the media anyway.

Jeez people...

Thrawn · « **Reply #32 on:** May 06, 2004, 02:59:52 PM »

tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr)
n.

1. a) Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
b) An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.

2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.

3. Something causing severe pain or anguish.

Toad did you volumteer for USAF winter survival training?

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #33 on:** May 06, 2004, 03:02:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

2. Excruciating (snip) mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.

Well ****... we're going to have to hire a boatload of shrinks to talk to the prisoners now. Im sure they are all suffering from nervous breakdowns after their horrible ordeal... all that work and no Greek letters on their sweatshirt.

mosgood · « **Reply #34 on:** May 06, 2004, 03:10:34 PM »

Listen.... nobody is saying that what happened is good. It was wrong to treat prisoners like that and the "individuals" that did it need to be punished.

What they did was not only morally wrong, but places any of our soldiers that find themselves prisoners in the future in the same jeapordy.... or worse.

Boroda, are you saying that this treatment is SOP for the American Army? If so... your wrong. period Are you saying that this is reflective of how americans are in general? This is not what we are about... and if you feel it is.... I'll use your own words "Please stop speaking about things that you don't know. "

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #35 on:** May 06, 2004, 03:16:56 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ

Arent you glad boroda that now you know the real facts and nt just th awful lies given to you by biased soviet prpagandists?

It's like some of the elders in my family are fod of saying: The only ones who stayed in Russia past the early 90s were either stupid, unlucky, criminal or any combination of the above.

Eagler · « **Reply #36 on:** May 06, 2004, 03:17:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr)
n.

1. a) Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
b) An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.

2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.

3. Something causing severe pain or anguish.

Toad did you volumteer for USAF winter survival training?

ex·ag·ger·ate
v. ex·ag·ger·at·ed, ex·ag·ger·at·ing, ex·ag·ger·ates

1)To represent as greater than is actually the case; overstate

2)To enlarge or increase to an abnormal degree

Dago · « **Reply #37 on:** May 06, 2004, 03:32:24 PM »

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In Stalin's times we had two times less people in prisons then in 1999

LOL, I suppose that was because Stalin just had everyone shot, no need for prisons.

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According to the Memorial human rights group, Stalin's policies were responsible for the deaths of 9 million to 12 million people, including those who perished in the famines of 1932-33 and 1946-47. It says 25 million passed through the Gulag, Stalin's network of prison camps, or were exiled.

You have more than twice the 25 million of Stalin in the gulags now? Wow, I didnt realize it was so bad there, you have my sympathies.

dago

Lizking · « **Reply #38 on:** May 06, 2004, 03:40:19 PM »

70% of all Iraqis have had NO(zero, that is none, not any) Contact with American forces. Isn't that an interesting little tidbit?

txmx · « **Reply #39 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:01:48 PM »

Shoot i stepped off the bus at reseption station at Ft Leornard wood Mo and a drill Sgt ask me where is was from.
LOL I said well man Im from Colorado.
The next thing I know I am picking myself up off the pavment.

And another time on a forced road march I was not moving as fast as the DS thought I should have been.
Got a jump boot square in the crack of my butt cracking my tail bone.

Had my face slapped a couple of times too.
This you see was back in the day when they could and would knock the crap out of ya in the army.

Don't think they can get away with it now but my point is was I tortured?

LOL the funny part is after basic graduation the DS that broke my tail bone took me out and got me drunk.

He said he felt bad about it and that he was just trying to motivate me LOL HE DID .

Thrawn · « **Reply #40 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:12:39 PM »

What are you implying is being exaggerated Eagler?

Toad · « **Reply #41 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:17:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, please define "torture".

Define?

Well, here's what torture isn't:

It isn't stripping someone or some people naked and taking their picture(s). That's humiliation.

There's no physical damage there. Mental anguish perhaps, but hey, this is a daily "locker room" event. People and the world survive such ghastly happenings every day.

Now, some examples of torture to clarify what it is:

First Reliable Evidence of Widespread Rape in Chechen Conflict

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....During assessment and treatment, 16 of the women and one man disclosed that they had been raped. In 13 of these cases, the alleged perpetrators were Russian soldiers, in three cases they were said to be Russian police officers, and in one Chechen rebels....

In its report, the Medical Foundation also documents other forms of torture and ill-treatment, including repeated kicking, beating and burning. Its medical doctors have documented shoulder dislocations, fractures, and damaged kidneys...

Physical damage in all cases and mental anguish that goes far beyond the exposure of ones private parts to the camera.

Hope that helps.

Toad · « **Reply #42 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:19:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

Toad did you volumteer for USAF winter survival training?

No.

I offered to spend the time on the beach in California mentally preparing myself for CCTS training.

They insisted, however, and ordered me to go to Fairchild.

Thrawn · « **Reply #43 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:33:19 PM »

Thanks for the response.

I am somewhat surprised though that you would make an arguement with what seems to be a pretty obvious flaw in it.

To paraphrase.

X and Y have similar elements, therefore they are the same.

You compare the two incidents, but you totally ignore all the contasting elements that totally differentiate the two incidents.

Toad · « **Reply #44 on:** May 06, 2004, 04:36:24 PM »

You'll figure it out eventually. You're a sharp guy.