Nuns accused of "Torturing" Deaf Children!!!

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Furious
You have indicated that what occured in the Iraqi prisons is not torture.  You called it hazing.  Yet you complain others are not using the proper terminology in comparison to a situation of your choosing.  Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

...and I KNOW that you would define the same treatment of an american prisoner in Iraq as torture.  You know it as well.  This makes your arguement even less convincing.

All I am doing by using the word hazing, quite intentionally, mind you, is the exact thing the media is doing, just on the other side of the spectrum.

You seem quick to point out my hypocrisy, yet you fail to see that same flaw in the mainstream media.

Frankly, the Iraqis were abused. They were not tortured or Hazed. This of course, does not include those that were murdered.

Believe what you want. I really don't care, no matter how omnipotent you may think you are. The fact is, no matter who is receiving this treatment, in my opinion, it is abuse, but not torture.

[ravells]

muck, for wider purposes it does not matter a fig what you and I define torture as. What matters is what the rest of the world thinks. And from what I've read/seen/heard they think it's torture.

Ravs

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by muckmaw
All I am doing by using the word hazing, quite intentionally, mind you, is the exact thing the media is doing, just on the other side of the spectrum.

You seem quick to point out my hypocrisy, yet you fail to see that same flaw in the mainstream media.

Great you proved your point, the media has biases (surprise surprise) and you are a hypocrit.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by ravells
Go faster is getting what I'm saying. Remember how this was the iconic picture of vietnam?
This is going to be the iconic picture of Iraq


Wars are as much about truth as perception. When was the last time we saw pictures of troops building schools or water plants?  People remember strong images. We need pictures like these:



which I think are just as iconic. Just need to get them published more.

Ravs

Actually, I think this one will be more memorable.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by ravells
muck, for wider purposes it does not matter a fig what you and I define torture as. What matters is what the rest of the world thinks. And from what I've read/seen/heard they think it's torture.

Ravs

Thats the whole point, though.

The reason the rest of the world is so upset about this is due more to media hyperbole than anything else.

You must realize most people in this world do not bother to think for themselves. They digest 10 second soundbytes and spit it back to the pollster when prompted.

Most of the world calls this torture because thats what CNN calls it.

[ravells]

Yep.

Sadly so.

Ravs

[muckmaw]

Ravs-

I believe it was the same soldier you pictured that said this morning that she was "Ordered" to pose for that shot and others by superior officers and she did it against her will.

What do you make of this?

[ravells]

I know the picture you mean (woman with the lead), but I didn't post it. I posted the one of the hooded prisoner on the box.

Whether or not she was asked to pose for the picture makes no difference to the impact the picture has and will cause. It's out there and it will continue to do damage for a long time.

Ravs

[SOB]

So Muck, are you more concerned that "the media" is giving preferential treatment to the iraqis with the word "torture" or with what actually happened to these kids?  Who gives a watermelon what word the media uses, it doesn't make the acts of violence any more or less real.  Get over it.