Author Topic: The Reason Rumsfeld should resign. (Read 838 times)

gatt · « **Reply #30 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:23:31 PM »

Verm,

are saying that if those armed iraqis are partisans you own the right to treat them the way you do in Guantanamo and Iraq? Without trials and no human rights?

The point is that you cannot accept the idea that the majority of Iraqis dont want any invader in their country (no wonder).

Hence you consider them all terrorists or, in the best case, partisans. In any case without any human right.

Scary, really scary. It reminds me Algeria, Vietnam, former Yugoslavia and Cecenia.

Vermillion · « **Reply #31 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:37:03 PM »

Gatt, don't put words into my mouth. You've known me for a long time, and I hope you know better.

I believe in basic human rights and treating people like human beings.

But thats not the issue. I was pointing out the fact that people on this BBS frequently cry "Thats against the Geneva Convention !!!!". Almost as if it were a quasi-religious symbol.

And they are usually wrong. It may be against a local law. It may be against international law. And it may be against a sense of common deceny and humanity. But the Geneva convention is a very specific law for a specific purpose.

gatt · « **Reply #32 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:46:31 PM »

Got it ... heya Verm! Howdy

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 17, 2004, 03:05:37 PM »

So....it's OK to stick stuff up an insurgent's prettythang, beat the watermelon out of them, teach and force them to jerk off? Pose them in dehumanizing positons against their will? regardless of whether or not we have proof they are anything other than non-players?

just making sure I know what to stand for here...

Dnil · « **Reply #34 on:** May 17, 2004, 03:46:05 PM »

RedTail....have you been to SERE school? While no jerking off was present, naked and hooded happens. Up all night standing naked with children crying pumped through speakers....this is nothing new, its done in training for God's sake.

Be more worried about the murders and rapes, thats the problem

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
RedTail....have you been to SERE school? While no jerking off was present, naked and hooded happens. Up all night standing naked with children crying pumped through speakers....this is nothing new, its done in training for God's sake.

Be more worried about the murders and rapes, thats the problem

I went to a Public college, does that count? Sure sounds close enough.

What you are describing is one thing, what was going on at Abu, which by all accounts was the Taj Mahal compared to the smaller prisons, is a whole different story, and I know we both agree on that.

Dnil · « **Reply #36 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:43:52 PM »

you are going off photos of how atrocious this is.....tactics like these are used to get info, everyone uses them....we use them.

They break you down, they have to, otherwise you dont talk. Even then talking is not a certainity. I got thrown around in training and you know what it was pretty wimpy...big gunther tossing me around was weak. BUT after all the sensory deprevation and keeping me up all night it felt MUCH worse then it actually was.

Do i think what happened was over the top, probably, I thought the training was over the top I went through. But I also know it looks much worse then it actually is. Rape and murder are never acceptable, and those guys should hang.

Edited out a snippy comment.