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Offline Nash

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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2004, 10:31:19 PM »
Toad, you're pretending that these "mute authorities" are somehow above the political realities that ALL politicians are slave to. You want them to stand up in righteous indignation. They want to keep their jobs. Is this really so different in the West?
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2004, 10:37:47 PM »
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"someone with their head up Islam's posterior."

Beside being a party puppet you're a clown too.  You're so multifaceted.


Sorry mate, but I have to steal that...classic

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2004, 11:53:53 PM »
Nash, by their silence they reek of complicity.

What they are doing is setting the stage for the next round of the Crusades.

In their time they led the world in science and military prowess.

It's clear neither of those attributes would currently be accorded to them.

Keep their jobs or save their culture?

Time to speak out.
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2004, 11:58:58 PM »
If it had been Christians that commited this atrocity in the name of Christ you guys defending the Muslims would be demanding the resignation of the Pope, Billy Graham, and Mr T. Spare us your hypocracy.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2004, 12:04:58 AM »
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Nash, by their silence they reek of complicity.


Or political savvy. I don't think we need to belabour a point you get.

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What they are doing is setting the stage for the next round of the Crusades.


Takes two to tango, no? Everyone's doing their part. Er wait, not exactly everybody....

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In their time they led the world in science and military prowess.


"In their time"? They haven't accomplished anything for at least the last 100 years. It's all awry.

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Time to speak out.


Conditions being what they are... They're wise to stay tight lipped. And let things play out just as is.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2004, 12:13:26 AM »
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Or political savvy. I don't think we need to belabour a point you get.

 

Takes two to tango, no? Everyone's doing their part. Er wait, not exactly everybody....

 

"In their time"? They haven't accomplished anything for at least the last 100 years. It's all awry.

 

Conditions being what they are... They're wise to stay tight lipped. And let things play out just as is.


     Nash, could you please tell me what horrible thing the US did
to the muslims to generate all this bile?  I really, truly do not
understand.  Since you seem to sympathize so strongly with them
I'd like to hear your views.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2004, 12:16:15 AM »
I'm sure Nash has his own ideas about how Middle Easterners feel towards the US but I can answer your question in one word: Israel.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2004, 12:17:21 AM »
Don't jump to assumptions.

I think both Al-Sistani and Khameni could speak out against this. They make the politics in Iraq and Iran.

There's an Eisenhower quote about the post-war period with the Russians to the effect that there was a point where the American people would consider it far better to militarily solve the problem than to be continually in a shadow war. Didn't happen but I think Ike had a good understanding of his fellow countrymen.

I'd say more like almost 1000 years. Something they should reflect upon.

I think they'd be very wise to try and convince the world that Muslims aren't really condoning this behavior.

Feel free t o disagree. Because I think we always will.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2004, 12:22:13 AM »
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Nash, could you please tell me what horrible thing the US did
to the muslims to generate all this bile?  I really, truly do not
understand.  Since you seem to sympathize so strongly with them
I'd like to hear your views.


Yer gettin' me all wrong.

The US has certainly been engaged, and sometimes detrimentally so, in other countries' affairs. But this middle east thing... The ones who are wreaking havok, they are nuts. Prolly ok people to have a beer with one to one etc., but no... They're gonna need to evolve as a culture by their own accomplishments, mistakes, needs. Take out the terrorists wherever, whenever... absolutely. But trying to take over a middle eastern country?

This war is misjudgement at its most arrogant.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2004, 12:24:43 AM »
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I'm sure Nash has his own ideas about how Middle Easterners feel towards the US but I can answer your question in one word: Israel.


Isreal? Nah.
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2004, 12:26:33 AM »
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Yer gettin' me all wrong.

The US has certainly been engaged, and sometimes detrimentally so, in other countries' affairs. But this middle east thing... The ones who are wreaking havok, they are nuts. Prolly ok people to have a beer with one to one etc., but no... They're gonna need to evolve as a culture by their own accomplishments, mistakes, needs. Take out the terrorists wherever, whenever... absolutely. But trying to take over a middle eastern country?

This war is misjudgement at its most arrogant.


The Russians tried to "take over" Afghanistan, and failed miserably. The US is only trying to foster democracy there and will leave once democracy has gained a foothold. It became obvious to us on 9/11 that we must must bring the Arabs into the 21st century even if they kick and scream the whole way.
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2004, 12:35:25 AM »
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Don't jump to assumptions.


Toad there was a wickedly good article in Harpers a few years ago about all the interventionist type wars that have been going on for the last 60 years.

It basically said that earlier, there would be wars, and there would be winners. Problem solved.

Nowadays the world community or whatever ya wanna call it jumps in and creates an uneasy peace. This so-called peace lasts for generations and ends up killing more people than a to-the-death war would.

Al Queda attacked you. You attacked back and wiped out an entire government. So far, so good.

Iraq?

It doesn't fit. And you're gonna find that out.
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2004, 12:38:01 AM »
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Iraq?

It doesn't fit. And you're gonna find that out.


Are you a prophet? psychic? time traveller? Or "arrogant" enough to think you can predict the future?
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2004, 12:41:08 AM »
None of the above.

Just a pretty astute observer of the past. Hasn't failed me yet.
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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2004, 12:46:00 AM »
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None of the above.

Just a pretty astute observer of the past. Hasn't failed me yet.


Nash, at 28 I might have believed something like that of myself too!  :)
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