Intolerance

[Dowding]

First of all, I'm not accusing anyone of open racism and I'm not going to name names, but...

Earlier today I was in the MA, and there were a couple of Japanese lads speaking to each other in Japanese (as you might expect). Then xxxxxx says something like:

"can you speak japanese in private pls"

I'm not trying to take the moral high ground, but several of us thought this was pretty shoddy, and when challenged, said pilot replied that he wanted to keep such chatter off channel 1. He also said he felt the same about Swedish, German and French. I don't doubt he dislikes 'chatter' in English, but I have never seen him complain about it when I've been online.

This was made worse when the japanese guy actually apologised and went to a private channel!!

Another dimension to this is that foreign players are more likely to be intimidated by such a request, and believe that they are actually doing something wrong. Imagine if you spoke English as a second language and were told to only talk in your native tongue in private. You might not know how to argue and be understood.

I personally feel this is out of order, and although most of us don't mind other languages being used within AH, those that have a problem shouldn't be playing a game that has a multi-national player base (even though English is the lingua franca).

PS. I'm not trying to start a flame war, just bringing the issue to the attention of the community (although I don't know if this has been discussed before).  

[funked]

Yep.  I don't see anywhere in the rules where it says we have to speak English.  If somebody's language is annoying, that's what the squelch command is for.

[aztec]

I was there when this occured and feel very much the same way. And what bothered me the most was the gentleman feeling the need to apologize for speaking in his native language. I apologize to you sir for the ignorance of some, channel 1 is NOT the English speaking channel!

[Westy]

 It's jeuvinile and crass. I just tell idiots who talk like that (telling folks to speak in English) to shut the hell up.

   -Westy

[StSanta]

Hey guys, I am beginning to think that maybe you are possibly not ugly Americans  .

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[stegor]

Well... i'm glad to read this.  
Days ago it happens the some with me  and other italian guys.
We were speaking italian (only for some minutes) on ch 1 (we are in Rooks and Knights, we couldnt make it in any other way), when s/one told us to stop it cause "ch1 is only English speaking".  
Not well  knowing the etiquette, and not wanting to polemize we stopped and excused.
Needless to say i remained badly surprisefor the tone used, in which i felt a bit of haughtiness; as you say ,though english is a universal language, this is a game that combine people from all over the world and a little bit of resilience would be appreciate  



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[NHFoxtro]

Who ever it was who said that Ch 1 was for english only should come to New York and live here for a year. I'm sure by then he would get use to the different races and cultures.People wan't to get a job done when playing this game, I know I do. If it so happens they have to speak there native tongue then so be it.

I was playing in the Med league a couple of weeks ago and was on RW with some guys from Spain. I had to ask what country they were from not because I didn't like it, but because I couldn't make out the accent or the Language because of the Wilco. They told me were they were from and apologized for the chatter. I told them why I was curious and not at all offended.After they were done talking about the plan for the scenario they spoke english to me and typed it in the buffer incase I didn't understand there English. These guys are just trying to get a job done also,and if that means they have to speak there Language doing it, its fine with me.


Remmember they go thru the same thing when listening to us on Wilco or on the boards but that doesn't stop them from playing the game. <S> to all abroad    
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[This message has been edited by NHFoxtro (edited 11-18-2000).]

[MrSiD]

Well in my opinnion (and I'm finnish)
the international nature of the game calls for the use of an international language i.e. english. If all players would start chatting on ch1 on their native languages .. well most of the rest wouldnt be able to understand a thing. If some of american players feel guilty about their native language being the most commonly used one in international discussions, its their problem.
So, as far as I care, all Japanese Chinese Portuguese FINNISH and maybe even Swedish players can well keep their discussions on private channels. I wont mind if people use the main channel with the language that the majority of people can actually understand.
Its not about being narrow minded, just keeping it practical for all.

Feel free to flame.. I've been managing international chat channels (100+ users on irc)enough years to say this.  
Cheers!

[TheWobble]

I kinda have to agree with sid on this, in no way to be racist or anything but seeing as how English (bad english too) is a predominate language it would seem most useful to have seperate channels for seperate languages, like TV i mean you never watch one channel and it has 5 different languages randomly saying things. I know some people will get all pissed that someone DARES to ask anyone to do ANYTHING even though its just for the sake of making things simpler and easyer to understand for everyone, besides with some of the tard typing out here its hard enough to figure out what is being said anyway.  but i know this will not happen just bcause all of these folks who have the  "i dont care if it makes things easyer i can do whatever i want and you have no right to tell me otherwise" mantality.

[Lance]

Welp, the fact is, until HTC puts an English requirement for the use of channel 1 in their terms of service, their customers have every right to speak Spanish, German, Itallian, Japanese, Swahili, or whatever language they want on Channel 1.  HTC manages AH and how it functions as an international chat server, not any player.  I hope someone pointed this out to the complainer and those japanese customers at the time?

Gordo

[Westy]

 Maybe we could ask them to move to the back of the bus so we can get on and off easier?

 What utter rubbish that English be the master language and anyone else can make things easier for us by taking thier language to another channel.  

 That attitude is disgustful and is absolutely assinine.

 I (and I don't think I'm in the minority here either) LIKE sharing my online experience with the rather large international community in Aces High and I enjoy participating with others from all over the world, be it on channel one, two or a private channel.

 If someone does not like another language in thier radio buffer then log off, do us all a favour by performing a  C: format and join up with the local chapter of whatever biggot organisation there is in your neighborhood. Just spare the rest of us from your problem.
 
   -Westy

[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 11-18-2000).]

[Animal]

If I'm speaking spanish in channel 1 and some idjit tells me to type in english I'll just say 'vete al carajo maricon' and procceed with my chatter.

If he dont like it he can complain to HT. HT then can either put him straight, or tell me to please speak english only; wich my reply will be to press the QUIT button on my account managment.

I want to see this person going to New York City and listening to all the different languages; and then going to the local embassy to complain about it so they can fine those involved.

[aztec]

As long as we have the option to squelch ch 1 or any indiviual player then I simply can't agree with your view Sid. As adults I hope that we can agree to disagree...no personal flame intended sir

[Yeager]

Channel one is the global channel.

Do not make the mistake of thinking any one person or language owns channel one.

Speak freely, listen freely and if you dont like it either live with it or squelch channel one.

Yeager

[easymo]

 Apparently, we have people who have mastered 2 languages. And one dumb ass, who is jealous