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Offline Furious

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« Reply #45 on: May 25, 2004, 05:25:21 PM »
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Have I hit a nerve, Furious?


No.  What you said was goofy.  

You stated you have a real life and that you have decided to make your family the priority.   You kinda rubbed his face in that.

...but, then you have just taken time away from your family to post on a video game forum.  Kinda dorky, hunh?

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« Reply #46 on: May 25, 2004, 06:42:14 PM »
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No.  What you said was goofy.  

You stated you have a real life and that you have decided to make your family the priority.   You kinda rubbed his face in that.

...but, then you have just taken time away from your family to post on a video game forum.  Kinda dorky, hunh?


Or he could be like everybody else, wasting time at work!

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« Reply #47 on: May 25, 2004, 07:04:51 PM »
Oh and why not play it now? Tried it out, it runs on both computers, but I like AH just fine. I'll switch when I have to. Jeez, thats all I need is worse gunnery, I'm already a bad enough shot.

At least I hope it runs okay, when I tried only a couple others were in the area. Under MA circumstances such as 20 planes in the air above a smoking field and 10 gv's on the ground beneath, who knows? Of my two comp's the laptop is the weaker, not much to be done there.

Well this thread started out as a good attempt at motivating more people to play and then disintegrated into a good old feud. Such fun we have!

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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2004, 07:22:31 PM »
" I look forwar to shooting at ya"

 No prizes awarded for something that easy.  Tonight, using a USB 3D Gamestick hoopety toystick, I felt like I was flying with one hand, a single eye and no feet. Man it was pitiful. I fired about a hundred rounds and not one ping.
 IT was nice to see alot of hanldes I recognized. Sorry for any missed "Hello's" but I forgot how to enlarge the radio buffer.

 Regardless of all that excusery.   The new "mouse look" was a really nice feature.  I'm so used to snap views with an 8way hat it was hard to adjust to using that though. Must be a really nice feature for those with  Cougars and CH USB Pro throttles.
 And the sun glare effect is REALLY somehting else.  But it felt, sounded (chnl 1 especially) and looked a lot just like AH-1. If  I get my old Hotas working under XP I'll give it a better go. With a twisty stick I'm competant to man an ack gun and that's about it.

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« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2004, 08:05:20 AM »
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Well this thread started out as a good attempt at motivating more people to play and then disintegrated into a good old feud. Such fun we have!


Well I apologize for my part in that, I seem to have offended more than one, it was not my intent.

I played AH1 beta, the overall enjoyability of the two make AH2 look great at this stage in the game development compared to AH1 when it was "two weeks" from going live. I get frustrated with the nattering-naysayers-of-negativity (stolen from Nixon I think) who pi$$ and whine that there's about to be a change (for whatever reason). I played AW back in 1995 (right before WB went public beta), I played WB from beta on until AH went public beta. Talk about a lot of change! I was not a fan of WB 2.0 at all, but HT and Pyro smoothed it out a great deal, in fact the did such a good job of improving the code that some rich jerk bought the damn game (HOOOOOAAAAH...sorry another thread on another BBS) and spoiled our community. the point being the MMOG air-combat hobby has seem IMMENSE change over the years, moving from AH1 to AH2 is just one smallish step in that big picture. It is not bad, and not to be feared.

I have not been too active on this BBS since 1999 or so. The rhetoric and rampant flame-warring was not much fun. I've been lurking here again for the last month or so and the over level of vitriol seemed to have ebbed somewhat so I started posting again. Once more I apologize to all the readers for my acknowleged contribution to the hatred, I'm feeling better already.

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« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2004, 08:18:01 AM »
sob.. I have fought a lot of 51's in AH1 and fighting the ones in AH2 is different.  They all turn and burn in the low and slow mode in AH2.  Not ony were you impressive in it but every 51 driver I ran into was a super stick.  Will have to fly it tho... not sure it will even stall out.

The 51 is better.   not only that but it wasn't bad enough that it was the one of the only planes really useful at 25% fuel but with the 2X fuel burn it now has an even bigger advantage.  

as for gameplay... found a cv fight last night and it was fun most of the time.  but.... Most of the action was horde wars...  20 guys attacking one undefended field in one place and 20 enemy attacking another undefended field somewhere else.   Mostly.... lots of planes circling undefended fields in fast late war planes.   lopsided sides... all this even tho there is no score!  imagine when it goes live.  

For some reason the CV was spared..  Is it harder to kill now (I hope)?  

Ju88... if you thought it was bulletproof and well armed in AH1 you are gonna be amazed at the AH2 one... they gotta look at that tank.

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« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2004, 08:32:53 AM »
Lazs that CV was under constant attack at one point.
We managed to keep it alive and asked on CH1 a couple of times for it to be spared to keep the fight alive.

Seemed to work and the fight lasted a long time.

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« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2004, 09:48:57 AM »
that is true cav... I was there most of the time but....

Do you think we will get that kind of co-operation when the kids and sky accountants and talentless all download AH2?

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« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2004, 10:27:33 AM »
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No.  What you said was goofy.  

You stated you have a real life and that you have decided to make your family the priority.   You kinda rubbed his face in that.

...but, then you have just taken time away from your family to post on a video game forum.  Kinda dorky, hunh?



You jump to conclusions without thinking: Edbert was talking about upgrading...so the priorities I was referring to were money related.

And yes, I'll admit that I rubbed his face in that...responding to his harsh comments.


But since he posted that he was sorry, let's just drop it mmmmkay?


Oh, btw....A88A i5 teh gh3y!! ;)
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« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2004, 11:39:39 AM »
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Seems to me that if you can, ............. do...........if you can't then play AH1 or ask for help now. (or both :) )

If you dont "input" now then come the day you'll just be one of the whinning masses :p


I have played, around 12 hours on three days after I got my joystick working right (mostly my fault).  My observations:

1) Too sensitive.  If you had problems with black/red outs, tailspins and such with AH1 you will hate AH2.  The planes/game play is worse with combat mode on than before with combat mode off.  I never tail-spun a plane in AH1 but have crashed a lot in AH2

2) Fuel burn (arena setting) is way too high.  Actually anything but the longer-range craft are worthless unless you are protecting your own base.  Hence anything but P-51s, P-38s, 109s, etc.  Don't bother with the Yaks as you will be out of fuel before you get there.

3) Higher stall speeds, lower overall and climbing speeds.  Makes it easier to stall and harder to climb out of something, especially when your at a capped base.   See tails spin comment above.  If you like the tight, turning dog fighting style, AH2 isn't for you.  

4) Sun glare is WAY to harsh.  Yes, I know they are glass cockpits, but even in WW2 they understood the concept of eye shades and cockpit shading.   As it is you might never see the oncomming aircraft even with shading your eyes with your hand.  Of course you can always put the cockpit post in the sun and then remove all effects of it, so bye bye realism.

5)  Gunnery has already been mentioned elsewhere.  It is much harder to hit something.  And gun damage seems much higher than "normal" so if you do get hit in one of the more fragile planes (like the 0s) it normally only takes one hit to disable you.  And we aren't talking cannon hits, 50s are bad enough.  I was running .25 K/D ratio in AH1 (I suck! ) but I don't think I have actually shot down anything in AH2.  Most of my deaths have been with a single ping when I have been in the air (not counting dying repeatedly on the runway fighting from capped bases).

Good points are that it looks a lot better, though 64 Meg cards cannot take advantage of it.  But even with the graphics turned down to keep the older cards smooth it actually looks like you are flying through a cloud and not a grey blob!  Hence hiding in clouds is a little less effective.  Joystick setup is nicer, actually showing you (graphically) the settings on your joystick and how it is responding to the game via graphing.  The water looks good as you hit it :-)  And a lot of other changes to the graphics that you can see even with the video modes turned down.

In short my opinion is that the game is much better looking, but the mechanics of it cause some definate changes that are NOT to the better as far as enjoyment.  I realise that a lot of these are theoretically more accurate but decrease the pleasure of playing.  And don't make a lot of sense in the accuracy department either.  Yes, historically some planes were very hard to fly and none of them were easy, but us arm-chair pilots also cannot get the same feedback as actually flying (gravity, Gs, etc) either, so things that actual pilots got for warnings we have to do by intuition.  If AH2 is the same after it leaves beta it will be put on the same shelf as all the other "realistic" flying games I have tried over the years.

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« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2004, 12:13:50 PM »
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...Oh, btw....A88A i5 teh gh3y!! ;)


True, but that was from the musical "Evita".  That makes it uber ghey.

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« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2004, 12:42:24 PM »
Gruug, that sounds like someone playing Need for Speed all the time starting up on Grand Prix Legends.
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« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2004, 01:44:02 PM »
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Gruug, that sounds like someone playing Need for Speed all the time starting up on Grand Prix Legends.


Perhaps.. :-)

What I was trying to get at is the game play has changed, and in some parts dramatically, from AH1 and a lot of more casual flyers are not going to like the changes.  To me its kind of disappointing as I have only recently found AH to begin with (still in my two week probation...)

I enjoy AH1 though I am not good at it.  AH2 I will keep trying but am not happy with for the reasons listed above, and none of them are what you would consider "bugs" but represent a different philosophy in design that I doubt will change.  I can't say its a change in thought as I haven't followed AH's development.

I also agree with the previous poster on another issue, that due to the changes in how the game functions you are going to see far fewer different planes in the air than before.  Everyone is going to be flying Stangs just to have a chance.  Can you call that fun?

Speaking of bugs, why did they remove the dive flaps from the P-3 8? Cut its climbing capacity because it turns well, then cripple its diving?  If the key shortcuts have just changed let me know and I'll quit whining about it and proclaim I'm a blonde :-)

P.S.  Notice I am NOT whining about being shot down all the time as I know I am terrible.  It doesn't matter if I'm in a stang dogfighting with a Stuka, I'm going to lose :-)  But I have fun regardless.  Any openings in Nomads?

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« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2004, 02:07:38 PM »
If everybody's flying Ponies my 109 will be very happy indeed.
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« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2004, 02:09:54 PM »
Unfortunately Lazs we both know as soon as the masses arrive it will be the MA norm of pork hordes.

As for uber p51's not met any yet and not flown any either to test as far as i recall.
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