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« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2004, 08:51:31 AM »
Hmmm....I have several guns.  Some I would use for home defense.  Yet I don't live in fear.  Am I doing something wrong?  Help me Obi Beetle!

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« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2004, 08:56:50 AM »
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Hmmm. Aim at the floor?


a couple problems with that
1) you tear up a perfectly good floor
2) you've waisted ammo
3) you now have one less shot for no good reason.  what if there are more invaders than you originally thought?
4) if you have a pump, he has a small window while you rack another round where he can rush you.  single shot or double barrel you are either re-loading or now left with just one shot.
5) a warning is "get the hell outta my house", firing a gun in the city, or in a house is serious business.  do it only in defense and not as a form of communication.

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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2004, 08:57:39 AM »
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I am the stupid kind of person who doesn't know how to handle dogs..  in the field they usually come at you two or three at a time...  

even as stupid as I am I am still just smart enough to rememeber how to pull the trigger.   I am up to about 5 dead and a couple of gutshot ones career..    The ones that have collars and tags on em I gut shoot so that they can make it back home.   Growling and circling me or running straight at me is a bad plan if you want any more happy doggy years of licking your nuts.

The ones that run away when I yell at em are fine.   Not much into doggy wrestling tho thank you.

once I used a 16oz claw hammer on a pit bull looking thing that has a kid on a bike by (fortunately) the boot and bike pedal.   I would have prefered a gun tho.   Very little inclination to wrestle in that case.

lazs


Gotta go with lazs on this one.

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« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2004, 09:08:55 AM »
Well, if someone invaded my  house, I'd prefer NOT to shoot him.
Arresting, ok
Scaring his guts out, ok
A hole in the floor, minor problem
A corpse of i.e. a young bewildered junky, with a 12 gauge hole in it would rather rest on my mind, you see.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2004, 09:17:49 AM »
If at all possible i would let him rob me, and not anything to provoke him to take action against me or my family. I would then call the police and let them get him. Works here were its easyer to find someone on a description than the US i guess.

He would be caught within a few days.

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« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2004, 09:21:22 AM »
Works pretty much the same here in Iceland. With so few guns around, house breakers rarely have anything worth more than a spanner ;)
There was a bank robbery last week, axe being used! The guy was captured within 5 minutes.
I think we only have 1 unsolved bank robbery in our history actually.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2004, 09:21:51 AM »
Oh.. a .357 has a better stopping record than any 45 or even 44 round.  The all time king of stopping power at this point is the 125 grain federal hollow point .357

I like guns so having them around is far from a burden.   My chances of needing one are extremely slimm but Iwas raised around people that made me realize that there are some real sick guys out there.  

As for dogs... like guns and bullets... they haven't changed much since 1840 just got a lot more deadly.  fighting dogs raised by the half baked or the stupid... let loose to become "free range dogs" and kill cattle and sheep and every animal they can pack up on.

Farmers and rancehers kill em and hang em on the barbed wire so that if the owner drives by he might see em.  Or... the latest "free spirt" country yuppie with ten large dogs that just moved out to his 5 acre place might get the hint and take care of his mutts.

The way to handle em is to look out all the time while you are working and when they run at yu.. get in your pickup and have em chase you for a couple of acres or.... like on of my guys... run over em if you can or... after the same group goes after you four or five times.... simply pop a couple of em with a 44.

It's better if the "poor little puppy" manages to crawl off and die at its yuppie owners porch tho.

Also... When I am wheeling my grand daughter around in her stroller at the park I don't appreciate the mentality that lets an owner release his fighting dog to run free in the park.   I don't trust fighting dogs and I sure don't trust his idiot owner no matter how much he claims the dog is different than it's breeding.

When I used to have to go to dog fights the pit bulls and bulldogs mixes would all just sit and wag their tails and maybe whind a little before they tore each other to shredds.... never seen one growl or bark before they attacked.   When dobermans were popular they were the same... the simply attacked for no discernable reason.

Any attack or fighting dog is a potential life threatening danger of unknown and unknowable quantity.

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« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2004, 09:30:15 AM »
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1) that you know of.
You're starting to sound a bit stupid. I've lived in this town (pop. now about 7000) for 22 years. I know a lot of people who themselves know a lot more people. There are no teenage guntoters. Where would they go to buy a gun? Unlike the US, we don't have gunshops on every corner, and most guns are banned, which is as it should be. I don't want the local salamanders to be able to buy guns. There is a gun dealer I know of a few miles from here who sells shotguns. But I ask you - are you suggesting I should arm myself with a shotgun, against the local teenagers? :lol

Last night, I walked about 1½ miles right across town just before midnight. (included walking across empty playing fields) Did I feel that an armed teenager was just about to leap out of the hedgerow with a gun? Of course not.

I shall do that same walk tonight, after I get home from seeing Curval. :aok

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« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2004, 09:30:32 AM »
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I think we only have 1 unsolved bank robbery in our history actually.


Yeah, Iceland is a beautiful place....to bad i had to leave in a hurry...

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« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2004, 09:35:36 AM »
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Any attack or fighting dog is a potential life threatening danger of unknown and unknowable quantity.

lazs


I agree and only an irresponsible ******* would turn one loose anywhere near people or livestock. No shortage of those in these parts though.

My Dad has a few horses and used to keep several sheep to maintain a lower property tax rate. I was visiting him once when a neighbor's pit bull was trying to get into the sheep pen. We were out hitting golf balls and so he ran over there with his 7 iron. The dog charged him and he hit it square in the head with that 7 iron. The dog backed off, shook his head a bit and ran around the house. I ran the other way to try to corner him. He gave me such a fierce look it stopped me in my tracks. I don't think my Dad ever had any more trouble with that dog though he did shoot and kill a couple others. The dogs eventually killed all but two of the sheep.
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« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2004, 09:43:15 AM »
growing up on a farm (and near a state park) we had a lot of dogs that were dumped and then became feral, and formed a pack.  their numbers would almost double at night when may peoples poorly trained dogs would run with them to kill stock, and then go home to their food dish in the morning.

any dog running in a pack, chasing people(while off of their own property), or chasing livestock, were shot.  just a fact of life.  I've shot dozens of dogs (including a few of my own, that I picked up too late in their life and they just where untrainable).

I like dogs and handle them well, have only been bit once, and that was my fault, not the dogs.

but if a dog will chase stock while I'm there he'll do it while I'm not there to stop him, so catching him and stopping this instance doesn't solve the long-term problem.

and any dog that will make a run at a teenager or adult who are just going about their business, is a serious threat to children.

we used to have a neighbor who had a rotty (145 lb'er) that would chase every vehicle that came down the road.  annoying as hell in a car.  on a bike it can be deadly.  a gravel road with a bike doing 40mph isn't a great situation for having a 145 lb dog jumping at you.

I talked to the owner about training their dog or at the very least putting him on a chain.  they ignored me and didn't seem to think his vehicle chasing was a big deal.

shooting the dog at or in front of his home is a legal mess, and it's not like the cops are going to do anything about a dog chasing vehicles.

so one day I got fed up.  I took my old Plymouth and attached a small burlap bad to one of the rear lug-nuts.  then rolled past the house at about 15-20, with the bag flopping beside the wheel.  when the dog set his teeth in the bag I floored it.  end of problem but slightly messy.  it would have been much better for everyone if they would have just taken care of their own dog.

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« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2004, 09:43:26 AM »
Its nice to live in a quiet corner of the world isnt it bee1e? I think we have around 30000 in my town, so it isnt big...but safe :)

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« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2004, 09:50:06 AM »
gee iron... what kind of retro are yu !!!! living in the 1840's!  this is the age of enlightenment where if you don't hear or see bad people or beasts then they don't exist.

Mostly crooks don't have guns in the states.  I don't want to get into a gunfight.. I want the gun to get me out of the fight.  If he still wants to fight tho... I want to win.

iron...  letting such dogs loose on ranch land is pretty dumb but happens all the time... what scares me is the morons that let em run free in the parks in the cities.  They carry a leash and sometimes hook em back up if a cop drives by but... the dog is straining at the leash and this sidewalk comando may or may not be able to restrain his prize possesion.

not trying to understand why things are as they are... only trying to deal with it in the most efficient manner.

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« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2004, 09:57:03 AM »
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what scares me is the morons that let em run free in the parks in the cities. They carry a leash and sometimes hook em back up if a cop drives by but... the dog is straining at the leash and this sidewalk comando may or may not be able to restrain his prize possesion.


I let my dog off-leash at the park all the time.  but with her, the leash is more a formality for other peoples piece of mind than a necessity.  she stays by my right side with or without the leash, unless I tell her she can "go play" (OK she may make a short run if she sees a cat, but a simple "hey", and she stops and comes back for a scolding and that won't happen again for months.) when she is on a leash it never goes tight when I walk her, she's been trained since a pup to not let her bellybutton pass my right leg or her nose fall behind.

if a dog tows it's owner down the street with the leash it should never be let off the leash, and rarely taken off it's own property.  it's simply not well trained enough for public.

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« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2004, 10:06:13 AM »
capt... a minority of dog owners should own dogs.  you appear to be one.   I am still not comfortable seeing any fighting dog off the leash tho.   A golden retriever or lab is quite another thing but they can be annoying.

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