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« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2004, 10:13:45 AM »
mine would probably make you nervous then (well in her day, she's 14 and arthritic now), she's a chow/pit mix.  a great breed for a family dog.  I've had a couple of them and they are usually smart, patient, protective, loyal and extremly clean.  my youngest daughter cut her teeth on this dogs ears.

but I'll have to agree with you, much like kids (raising a dog isn't much different than raising a kid.  kids just take longer) most people shouldn't have one.

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« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2004, 10:29:53 AM »
capt.. I had a boxer for 14 years.  They are noted for being gentle with children... many dogs are noted for being friendly.

I believe that your dog is well trained and is very good with your familyu but... fighting dogs and certain breeds make me nervous... they can misinterpret threat to their owners or owners family...   Children often cause them to react and trajedy ensues.

What I find funny is that the same people who are afraid of guns have no problem with fighting dogs running loose and owned by morons.

Fireams have never attacked anyone and are easy to control.   dogs constantly attack children and adults without the consent of their owners.  

An owner of a dog that attacks a child for any reason should be charged with manslauter at the minimum if the child is killed  or assault with intent to do grave bodily harm if the person attacked is not killed.

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« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2004, 10:36:25 AM »
My wife woke in a panic early on a Sunday morning, saying "get the gun, get the gun, there's a man on the roof" (A tin shed roof right outside the window.) Before my intellectual faculties kicked in I grabbed my 4570  (with bayonet). I had a single round in one hand and the rifle in the other, thinking I'm too naked for this. As I'm debating chambering the round, She says "oh never mind it's just a squirrel" I got dressed and took all the cartridges into the basement and locked them up.

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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2004, 10:42:40 AM »
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Oh.. a .357 has a better stopping record than any 45 or even 44 round.  The all time king of stopping power at this point is the 125 grain federal hollow point .357

I like guns so having them around is far from a burden.   My chances of needing one are extremely slimm but Iwas raised around people that made me realize that there are some real sick guys out there.  

As for dogs... like guns and bullets... they haven't changed much since 1840 just got a lot more deadly.  fighting dogs raised by the half baked or the stupid... let loose to become "free range dogs" and kill cattle and sheep and every animal they can pack up on.

Farmers and rancehers kill em and hang em on the barbed wire so that if the owner drives by he might see em.  Or... the latest "free spirt" country yuppie with ten large dogs that just moved out to his 5 acre place might get the hint and take care of his mutts.

The way to handle em is to look out all the time while you are working and when they run at yu.. get in your pickup and have em chase you for a couple of acres or.... like on of my guys... run over em if you can or... after the same group goes after you four or five times.... simply pop a couple of em with a 44.

It's better if the "poor little puppy" manages to crawl off and die at its yuppie owners porch tho.

Also... When I am wheeling my grand daughter around in her stroller at the park I don't appreciate the mentality that lets an owner release his fighting dog to run free in the park.   I don't trust fighting dogs and I sure don't trust his idiot owner no matter how much he claims the dog is different than it's breeding.

When I used to have to go to dog fights the pit bulls and bulldogs mixes would all just sit and wag their tails and maybe whind a little before they tore each other to shredds.... never seen one growl or bark before they attacked.   When dobermans were popular they were the same... the simply attacked for no discernable reason.

Any attack or fighting dog is a potential life threatening danger of unknown and unknowable quantity.

lazs


Lazs, I understand your fright, but your obviously scarred from something, killing dogs isnt gonna bring someone, or something back.

I agree anyone who breeds their dog for fighting should go to jail, or Iraq and sleep in the sand, and be responsible for bringing in the dead and burying them..

Please do not post in this thread about killing dogs, and hanging them on barbed wire again.
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« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2004, 10:44:07 AM »
good idea... no amount of freedom or being able to defend yourself or you family is worth the life of even one squirrel.

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« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2004, 10:47:52 AM »
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growing up on a farm (and near a state park) we had a lot of dogs that were dumped and then became feral, and formed a pack.  their numbers would almost double at night when may peoples poorly trained dogs would run with them to kill stock, and then go home to their food dish in the morning.

any dog running in a pack, chasing people(while off of their own property), or chasing livestock, were shot.  just a fact of life.  I've shot dozens of dogs (including a few of my own, that I picked up too late in their life and they just where untrainable).

I like dogs and handle them well, have only been bit once, and that was my fault, not the dogs.

but if a dog will chase stock while I'm there he'll do it while I'm not there to stop him, so catching him and stopping this instance doesn't solve the long-term problem.

and any dog that will make a run at a teenager or adult who are just going about their business, is a serious threat to children.

we used to have a neighbor who had a rotty (145 lb'er) that would chase every vehicle that came down the road.  annoying as hell in a car.  on a bike it can be deadly.  a gravel road with a bike doing 40mph isn't a great situation for having a 145 lb dog jumping at you.

I talked to the owner about training their dog or at the very least putting him on a chain.  they ignored me and didn't seem to think his vehicle chasing was a big deal.

shooting the dog at or in front of his home is a legal mess, and it's not like the cops are going to do anything about a dog chasing vehicles.

so one day I got fed up.  I took my old Plymouth and attached a small burlap bad to one of the rear lug-nuts.  then rolled past the house at about 15-20, with the bag flopping beside the wheel.  when the dog set his teeth in the bag I floored it.  end of problem but slightly messy.  it would have been much better for everyone if they would have just taken care of their own dog.


Now see, jeeze, anyone who loves a dog would do it humanly..
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I understand the situiation too, and I myself have never ever been bitin by a dog, my own or anothers, and some of them were pit mixs and they weren't exactly all that friendly, and they would get out and run the neighborhood, I guess I just have a thing for dogs, or they have a thing for me..

Only time I've been 'nipped' is when I was playing with them, wrestling on the floor. I've also been tackled by dogs, scared?, no... Cause I know if I panic, it would make the situation worse..

But, ofcourse the dog was my own.. :D
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« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2004, 10:48:08 AM »
hawk... I am cautious around dogs.  I am even frightened of dogs in some situations.   If three of em are still bloody from the sheep they killed and they are running toward you and spredding out..  I would suggest that you might want to be a little "frightened" yourself.

I haven't hung any dogs on barbed wire.  the farmers and ranchers here do it.   It is common practice and I agree with it.   It makes perfect sense.  

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« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2004, 10:49:08 AM »
good idea... no amount of freedom or being able to defend yourself or you family is worth the life of even one squirrel.

lazs


Lasz is right. It could have been this squirrel:


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« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2004, 10:50:32 AM »
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capt.. I had a boxer for 14 years.  They are noted for being gentle with children... many dogs are noted for being friendly.

I believe that your dog is well trained and is very good with your familyu but... fighting dogs and certain breeds make me nervous... they can misinterpret threat to their owners or owners family...   Children often cause them to react and trajedy ensues.

What I find funny is that the same people who are afraid of guns have no problem with fighting dogs running loose and owned by morons.

Fireams have never attacked anyone and are easy to control.   dogs constantly attack children and adults without the consent of their owners.  

An owner of a dog that attacks a child for any reason should be charged with manslauter at the minimum if the child is killed  or assault with intent to do grave bodily harm if the person attacked is not killed.

lazs

Ok it's obvious now, your a wreck... And don't know dogs enough.. :rolleyes:

Skuzzy feel free to lock the thread, I got my answers that I wanted from it..

Of course I'd be scared if bloodied dogs were running towards me, but if they were like that I'd probally of shot them before they had a chance to kill..
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« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2004, 10:55:48 AM »
hawk.. capt understands about feral dogs in the country and the half wild pets that will run with em given half a chance.   they are pack animals no matter what you want to believe...  even a good dog will go bad if allowed to run with feral ones.

capt.. in washington I lived in centralia near a large state park (backed up to our 20 acres)..  All the neighbors shot any dog that they seen running free..   I wounded one in a pack of three one time and the others attacked and killed it.

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« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2004, 10:57:21 AM »
Hawk, 12Ga. shortest legal legnth is the best for close assault.
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« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2004, 11:03:12 AM »
kinda immature to ask for a thread lock, just because you don't like the opinions (or realities as the case may be).

nobody was abusive to you or rude even, those are the kind of things threads get locked for.  locking them because you don't like the opinions isn't regulating, it's censorship.

killing nuisance dogs is a common and acceptable practice in almost any farm or rural community.  this isn't the same as people killing just to kill or for fun, it's just something that has to be done.

and if hanging a dead dog on a fence (a bit extreme in my opinion) will make that city family (who drove to the country to drop off a litter of pups, that they didn't have the heart to take to the pound), freak out and turn the car around, I guess I'm for it.

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« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2004, 11:05:54 AM »
I'm not locking it just because I don't like the answers I'm just tired that the frikin threads subject changed, and threads get locked for that too..

Golly..

Just let me say what I want, I let you say what you wanted...
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« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2004, 11:13:44 AM »
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LOL, kinda suprising the grenade never really caught on for home defense:p

but claymores, now there is a home security system.


I doubt anyone would wanna hang around  some home owner holding a stick of TNT w/ a lit fuse....:lol

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« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2004, 11:30:16 AM »
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I doubt anyone would wanna hang around  some home owner holding a stick of TNT w/ a lit fuse....:lol


Just gave me an idea,

Roll of Cannon Fuse- $5.00.

Paper Towel Roll, colored red- $3.00

Watching a home invader run like **** and **** his pants all in one-priceless
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Trouble no one about their religion;
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Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life." - Chief Tecumseh