Author Topic: Please change the way kills are scored. (Read 2061 times)

Blammo · « **on:** May 31, 2004, 12:37:20 AM »

I am not completely sure what the current system is, but something has got to change. In AH1 you can blow the wing (or tail) off of a plane that doesn't exhibit any other signs of damage, (you can blow him up for that matter) and still only get an assist.

The way I see it, and I am sure others do, is it doesn't matter how much someone pings a target, what matters is did they do the damage that brought it down?

For example: I just shot down a 110 in the MA. He was not smoking, he was not leaking, he had all his parts, and from the way he was flying I would say he did not have a pilot wound (which would not matter to me because he was still able to fly and therefore still a viable target). I saddle up on him, fire into his right wing on the outboard of the right engine. Thick black smoke rolls out, along with white fuel vapor followed by the wing snapping off, immediately followed by the engine falling off which was fairly quickly followed with him kissing the ground. Did I get the kill? No! I got a stinkin assist. Remember, he showed absolutely no signs of damage at all before I fired on him. He just made a pass over a friendly field (which was de-acked). No one got a ping on him and he headed straight outbound (which is when i dropped on him).

Please, change the way kills are scored. Maybe it is to difficult to change the code or whatever, but, if possible, change this. I am tired of fighting with someone for 5 minutes (or even 5 seconds) till I finally get the shot on him and the see the kill go to someone else that isn't even there anymore. Once again, I am not talking about a damaged aircraft. I am talking about one that displays no signs of damage at all (until, of course, I shoot him/her down).

Crumpp · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2004, 08:37:05 AM »

I agree. Stop the manuver kills too. If a pilot is stupid and crashes then ding his score. Don't give some other guy credit that was just flying by or happenend to be in the air nearby.

If your guns kill him you get credit. If you collide, crash, killshoot, or whatever else it is NOT counted as a victory.

Just my 2 cents.
Crumpp

Mak333 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2004, 09:06:25 AM »

I agree with both statements. Either that, and/or fix how assists are scored too. Tired of getting 10 assists and ZERO credit for it.

Flit · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2004, 11:02:29 AM »

while you get the "credit" for proxie kills, you do not get any perk point rewards for them

hitech · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2004, 11:05:31 AM »

The system now awards the kill to the person who does the most damage, not how many pings. There is damage done even if the plane is still flying. If you got an assist, it meens that some one else did more damage to the plane than you did, you just happen to put in the last bullet.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2004, 11:12:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Flit
while you get the "credit" for proxie kills, you do not get any perk point rewards for them

But do you still gets Points. Hit% ect?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2004, 11:31:41 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
The system now awards the kill to the person who does the most damage, not how many pings. There is damage done even if the plane is still flying. If you got an assist, it meens that some one else did more damage to the plane than you did, you just happen to put in the last bullet.

So this means that although we may see a plane flying along appearing undamaged when in fact it is shot to rags and one more bullet will cause it to fall apart in little pieces? Even in AH II?

I noticed yesterday that I shot an apparently undamaged P-51 to pieces and it kept flying despite a large fire and no right wing. Or did all this damage just appear visible to me but the plane had less damage than I thought?

Flit · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2004, 11:47:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
But do you still gets Points. Hit% ect?

I landed 5 proxie kills in a yak once
never fired a shot
got the "landed 5 kills in a yak" message,some congrats, and 0 points.

romad · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2004, 11:58:22 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
The system now awards the kill to the person who does the most damage, not how many pings. There is damage done even if the plane is still flying. If you got an assist, it meens that some one else did more damage to the plane than you did, you just happen to put in the last bullet.

True, and therein lies the rub. The program is tracking the damage to an aircraft and awarding the kill based on who did <50% damage, not who actually shot the aircraft down.

Since there is no (at least in AH I) degradation in the performance of, say, the outer left half of the wing at <50% damage, I am still faced with engaging a fully functional, maneuvering target. I put a few .50 rounds into the wing tip, half the wing falls off, and I have an assist.

Seems to me in this circumstance the award for kill versus assist should be reversed.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:06:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Flit
I landed 5 proxie kills in a yak once
never fired a shot
got the "landed 5 kills in a yak" message,some congrats, and 0 points.

Are you refering to "Perk Points" or ?

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2004, 01:23:13 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
The system now awards the kill to the person who does the most damage, not how many pings. There is damage done even if the plane is still flying. If you got an assist, it meens that some one else did more damage to the plane than you did, you just happen to put in the last bullet.

You really need to look into this a little more. I certainly do agree with the theory but it stinks. I on the other hand see it a different way.

1. When I am the first to hit a con I can blow the stinking crap out of him and him have no visable damage. Not just a few pings but light him up like a wild fire. Then I loose what advantage I have and have to move on. 30 minutes later I get credit for him. I hit him enough to get credeit but not enough to kill him or render him a non-threat!

2. Then I see it the way these guys do. I come in a target that has no apperent damage, light him up with a few pings and then he goes down.....stinking assists.

Sure the 50% thing seams ok but but its not. The guy getting the 50% deserves credit but its the way the first 50% doesnt cause any unairworthy damage that can get you killed.

Flit · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2004, 02:26:41 PM »

perk points

GScholz · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2004, 02:45:55 PM »

A solution would be to award the kill not solely based on "hitpoints" but on loss of structure. The first to shoot off an entire wing, tail section or engine gets the kill. This will put an end to the "kill stealing" as well.

Eagler · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2004, 02:46:38 PM »

lol

who cares?

go stuff your ego elsewhere and let the programmers worry about slightly more important things as in stopping the studdering/getting AH2 to run as smooth and bugfree as AH1

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2004, 02:57:19 PM »

It isn't about ego. What I'm looking for is confirmation of whether or not I'm actually hitting what I'm aiming at and whether I'm doing damage when I see hits.

When you shoot a plane and it lights up like a pinball machine but keeps flying it makes you wonder what is happening.