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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2001, 06:33:00 PM »
Give the page time to load.  http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm

You will hear Gallands voice talking about that quote and it was just to piss off Goering. As others have already said he loved the 109 and would take it over a spit any day.  It is all in his book "The first and the Last".

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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2001, 06:38:00 PM »
Howdy Bersrker!! Good ta see yah... and man I had a blast in some of those fights with you in the MA! I'll not soon forget the first time I ran into you and Udie. LOL. Great fights. Hope to see yah up.. no matter what yah fly.  :)

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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2001, 06:53:00 PM »
Because I'm an old fart and a citizen of the US, it has been very difficult for me to fly LW planes.  

Nonetheless, I've managed to get past that.  The LW planes are a most enjoyable ride, especially the G-series.  The FW190 d9 is my favorite ride for de-acking fields.

I thought I was one of the few that had let politics get in the way of fun.

In reading Hristo's bitter post, it's clear I'm not the only guy that had trouble getting past politics.

I lament all of the good sticks that have left us, although I suspect they left because of boredom rather than anger/flight models & etc.

Nothing beats sneaking up on a great stick and blowing his bellybutton up before he can react.  Their channel 1 reaction is even more fun.  Inevitably, the good sticks have egos to match their skills [not true for Drex/RWY/Torque and a few others.]

I suspect LW politics simply consists of loyalty to the 109/190 line of planes.  I don't think it has anything to do with geographic politics.

I strongly believe the arena consists of two groups: 1) airplane fanatics and 2) guys who like to blow toejam up.  It's natural for an airplane fanatic to become upset if they suspect their favorite ride is porked in some way.  If they're adults, they'll get past that and have fun; if not, they'll leave, although many have left for different, valid reasons.

Speaking of porked planes  :), I believe the best example of a porked plane was the pre-1.03 version of the p51-d.  Remember the turning radius (even at alt) if you wanted to retain any semblance of energy?  Remember how fragile the wings were?  The wings are still fragile ...

I would gladly fly on the LW if numbers become an issue.  Hell, AH is about fun, not airplane politics.  :)

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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2001, 09:03:00 PM »
Pongo might be right.

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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2001, 11:04:00 PM »
Ho ho ho and a bottle of rum, isn't this fun?

We see these expert on human psychology clearly state and define what makes us tick.

Considering their expertise, I'm willing to go out on a limb and call it extreme prejudice combined with a good spoon of labelling.

I love 109's, I love 190s. I fly 'em because they're cooler than anything else in the sky.

The G10, the F8 and the A5/A8 are my preferred planes.

I prefer fighting American or British iron, something my kill/death history will show.

It's my hope that now that the LW "loudmouths" speak silently, so will the "allied" loudmouths.

'nuff said.

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« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2001, 12:45:00 AM »
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Have it any way you want. YOU explain why "the finest, flying the finest" ended up dead, captured or wearing make up in Argentina.

Dammit Basil! I TOLD you not to mention the war! Next thing you know you'll be spouting off about the Malvinas...

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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2001, 02:56:00 AM »
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I suspect LW politics simply consists of loyalty to the 109/190 line of planes.  I don't think it has anything to do with geographic politics.

Agree 100%, and also about the "plane fanatics".

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« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2001, 02:58:00 AM »
I like all planes, all of em..

The first AH plane I really latched onto was the N1K, back in the Beta days.
It turned well and had nasty guns.
I eventually got a little bored with it and then drove the Spit-IX for several Tours.
Next, I got tired of not being able to run away when needed, so I got into the Typhoon for a few months.
Then I joined the Wonder-Hog crowd (lowers his head in shame).

I had always been looking for a good buff interceptor, one that would climb ( I love buff hunting  :) ).  The 109 is an obvious choice, but I could never get the hang of it.  Never flew it more than a few times a tour, and always sucked in it.  I have always had a lot of respect for folks who flew it well, because I couldn't.  I considered it an inferior plane.

A few months ago I forced myself to learn to fly the 109, first the G-2, now I fly the F-4.  It has become my main ride, even for attack. I fly it because it is challenging and fun.  You earn your kills in the 109F-4.  No running, no spray-n-pray, no turning on a dime, and sometimes... no escape.

I know that I will get bored with the 109 as well, and then move on to something else (I'm really liking the Il-II)

In the mean-time, I am not a Luftwobble,

I just like planes, all of em.

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« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2001, 03:16:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Yeager:
There is no reason why there cannot be a HA in AH.  Even if only populated by a dozen people, at least it would promote and satisfy those interested in role playing.

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Yesterday HT was online and if I recall it right, someone asked about another arena and HT replied something like:
"When there's a 400 ppl peak per day at MA, then we could consider it.."
..or something like that.
I was middle of the "situation", so I couldn't follow ch1 so closely.

Anyone, any clarifications ?

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« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2001, 08:37:00 AM »
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Face it, the only time the Luftwaffe ever shone was up against Eastern European biplanes and when it was used as an artillery arm for the Wheremacht.

Actually, they did more then what should have been required by them, and they did great in all theaters. They fougth a 3 front war, allmost no country can win such a war, specially not against US and Rushia at the same time. The High command, Goering and Hitler, made the role of the fighter pilots nearly impossible, as soon as they lost one single battle Goering and Hitler imediatly reorganized the whole Luftwaffe to use new tacics, they lost BoB because the 109's had too short legs and they were tied to the Bombers, much like the Allied planes in 1943 were. The allies too, when their were tied to the slow heavy bombers, suffered great losses.

 
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Face it. They flew second rate stuff so they lost.

Second rate stuff? Hardly

The 109, was outdated by 1942, before that it was one of the best fighters of all time.

In May 1941 the 190 entered serbice, it gave the RAF HUGE troubles and the superiority of the 190 over the Spit V was huge, not untill the summer of 1942, when RAF recived the Spit IX could they fight the 190 on equal terms, and even then, the 190 (A4 and A5) was better in both climb, roll, zoom and speed (I have the RAF WW2 documents).
The 190 was the first multi-roll airplane of the war, and it was amongst the best, if not The best fighter-bomber of the war.
In 1944, when the D mustang entered service (44 right? not 43?) the 190 A found it self in a tight spot above 20 000Ft. The 190 D9, aka Long Nosed 190, was as good, and in some aspects better then the P51D and the quality was once again up-to-date.

 
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Have it any way you want. YOU explain why "the finest, flying the finest" ended up dead, captured or wearing make up in Argentina.

What led to the disaster (for Hitler, good thing for the rest of the world) was his, and his high commanders (a few of them) stupidity, hunger for power and and inability to see what was needed.
They lost the BoB because:
1. Short legs of the 109 made it impossible to escort bombers far.
2. Goerings order to the Fighters to stay close and slow with the bombers, this took away the great advantage of the 109, wich was speed and E performance. The 109's were forced to Turnfight the Spitfires, and we all know the spit turns better.
3. They stopped bombing the RAF airfields and thus gave GB the power to come back. They started bombing London (this was terror bombing, just like the Allies did in 1943 and onwards, only they did it in a much greater extent)
4. They didn't attack GB rigth after France was beaten, they stopped and let GB recover some.

They lost the war because:
1.They didn't win BoB (because of stupid tactics) and thus gave the Western allies a great place to bomb Germany from.
2. They attacked Rushia, wich MIGHT have worked if:
A. They had waited till they had taken GB, or atleast had the RAF under controll.
B. Most important, attacked Rushia 2 weeks earlier and prevented the winter War with an enemy, who's men and machines have all been trained (the few of them who were trained) and designed for Sub-Zero temperatures.
C. Not dragged USA into the Warm no country can win over Rushia and USA at the same time, both those countries have a HUGE amount of resources.

The main reason they lost the war was because, in simple words, they got gangbanged.

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« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2001, 08:41:00 AM »
This thing is still going to happen or what?

 

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« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2001, 08:59:00 AM »
The LW actually lost on K/D against Polish biplanes.

What was the most common statement in late '45?   "Ve are not Nazi's, Ve are Sviss."
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« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2001, 09:20:00 AM »
Guys, this conversation is becoming nutty  :)

Here are facts that I think are undisputed by all:

1) A great pilot in a mediocre plane will beat a mediocre pilot in a great plane, everytime.

2) Bob was lost by the jerries because the political leadership got involved in making military decisions.  The Brits were outnumbered and for the most part, out-planed.  The Brit's grit and the German political leadership determined the outcome of Bob.

3) While FDR desperately wanted in the European war, he couldn't do it!  Congress would not permit it.  By and large, both republicans and democrats wanted no part of a European war.  I still don't understand why Germany declared war on the US 6 or 7 days after Japan bombed Pearl Habor.  I imagine war between the US and Germany was inevitable, but Germany could have delayed it.

All of us, let's remember, the sticks win the fight, not the airplane.  Nath in a 202 will whip my arse everytime in any plane of my choice.

All of the planes in Aces High are great rides -- each has something special to offer.  Sheet, let's get ready to rumble!  :)

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« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2001, 10:20:00 AM »
Oh geezus, now we are going to anaylyze and second guess as to why the Third Reich lost the war.

I think we can all agree the LuftWaffe was only a limb of the entire body responsible for losing the war, nevertheless their loss rate was very high.

"They lost because they got gangbanged"... maybe they shouldn't of attacked two fronts at one time???

Anyways, they lost and I'm damn glad they lost.
I'd hate to think what it would be like to live in Nazi America.
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« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2001, 11:21:00 AM »
"I'd hate to think what it would be like to live in Nazi America."

 ?? It's easy.

 We'd be playing a state sponsored game called "Ariens High!" on Grundig computers because the VonHiTechWerks lost it's "labor pool" with which to force into developing a version to work on the Blaupunkt O.S.  So it runs very well on the KurtTank2001 operating system... *only*
 
 All of the players who fly the soft willed, yellow bellied Imperialist planes like the P-40B, P-39D and P-38DA planes (the Axis won the war so the later models are either not included or were never developed) complain how bad the .30 guns are in comparison to the much superios and vaunted MG151's.

 Same players whine about how they wish VonHiTechWerks would model the XP-47 and YP-51's because someone where out in New Zealand has actually seen at a friends house in the unoccupied zone the one copy of an original 50 year old document showing how they actually were in combat when they were rolled out of the Dayton Ohio hangars.
 Rumours have it the P-38K flew cap for those flights and that even once Skunkworks Johnson himself as able to elude an attacking of flight of GO-229's attacking the base by climbing straight up at the moon.
 
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