Author Topic: LW exodus hurts The Rumble (Read 2111 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #60 on:** June 07, 2001, 11:36:00 AM »

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summer of 1942, when RAF recived the Spit IX could they fight the 190 on equal terms, and even then, the 190 (A4 and A5) was better in both climb, roll, zoom and speed (I have the RAF WW2 documents).

Then you'll note in those documents that the Spitfire was operating at part throttle. Not WEP and not even full military power. And just a few months later the Merlin 66 -engined LF Spitfires came into service, which left the 190 with no advantage except roll at high speeds.

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The 190 was the first multi-roll airplane of the war, and it was amongst the best, if not The best fighter-bomber of the war.

P-39s and P-40s were being used as fighter bombers at about the same time as 190s began taking on such duties. And the P-38, P-47, P-51, F4U, F6F, and Typhoon we are superior to the 190 in this role. They could all carry about twice as much ordnance as a 190.

Germans lost the air war because they met better men in better equipment.

Wilbus · « **Reply #61 on:** June 07, 2001, 11:40:00 AM »

I belive, that somewhere in my Post, I stated that they attacked 3 fronts at the same time and this was a major reason they lost.

funkedup · « **Reply #62 on:** June 07, 2001, 11:45:00 AM »

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I stated that they attacked 3 fronts at the same time and this was a major reason they lost.

Excuses!!!

Wilbus · « **Reply #63 on:** June 07, 2001, 11:47:00 AM »

The planes were being flown on the same throttle, they compared them to fínd out an advantage, they won't fly one plane at 80% throttle and one at 100% and say "...yes but our plane only flew at 80% wich makes it better."

190G's could take up to 3900 (slighly more) bomb load, it was amongst teh fastest Fighter-bombers of the war.
What makes a fighter bomber good is not only the ability to drop big loads of bombs, it's how fast it is and how fast it can come to the front, how much punishment it can take etc.

Do you have my documents too since you know what's in them?

Creamo · « **Reply #64 on:** June 07, 2001, 11:54:00 AM »

Germans lost the air war because they met better men in better equipment.

Geez, the Germans were almost like the AH Lw's, where BITTER men quit because they met men with BIGGER equipment.

Yikes!

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Pongo · « **Reply #65 on:** June 07, 2001, 11:56:00 AM »

LOL
extreme odds against had nothing to do with it...

Toad · « **Reply #66 on:** June 07, 2001, 12:15:00 PM »

Cut it out Creamo!

I hate having to clean the beer off this monitor...and besides the beer burns your nose when it hoses through there! (Waste of good beer too!)

Sachs · « **Reply #67 on:** June 07, 2001, 12:17:00 PM »

I flew LW mainly and I have AH after 3 months. My last flying day was May 30th. Not a knock but it was very hard flying for the knights and getting our butts kicked day in and day out. Not going to whine aboutt he planes, just that it is sad when everyone left at the same time, most say well in three weeks they will be back. Chances are no they won't, most were fed up with AH, and the direction it was going. Have fun, as you can find us all in WW2online.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #68 on:** June 07, 2001, 12:37:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Sachs:
Have fun, as you can find us all in WW2online.

Excuse me....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

-SW

funkedup · « **Reply #69 on:** June 07, 2001, 12:48:00 PM »

Wilbus here is the page of the AFDU report that is significant: http://www.geocities.com/spades53.geo/pro_190_survey_c_1.jpg

1.42 ata is the "Emergency and Takeoff" rating in German documents - aka WEP. But the Merlin 61 was only running +12, while WEP was +15. Go fly the AH Spit IX at +12 to get an idea of the performance difference. No wonder they found the 190 superior. It looks to me that they were inflating the capability of the enemy in order to get more priority for improved fighters.

3900 lb bombload on a 190? An already overweight and underpowered plane, carrying a bombload half of its empty weight. I think you can guess what the performance would be like with that bombload.

Hell - Il-10 could out run and out turn Fw 190G with a bombload. It was a dog.

The beauty of the superior Allied designs was that they could carry the same or greater ordnance load without suffering a 50% increase in power-loading and wing-loading.

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What makes a fighter bomber good is not only the ability to drop big loads of bombs, it's how fast it is and how fast it can come to the front, how much punishment it can take etc

Right, and the P-38, P-47, Typhoon, F4U, F6F, are just as fast or faster than the 190, have greater range, and are more sturdily built planes. 190 looks like a toy by comparison if you have seen them together.

It's a neat plane, but to compare it to planes like the F4U or P-47 as a multirole aircraft is not fair. The little twittler is outclassed.

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Creamo · « **Reply #70 on:** June 07, 2001, 01:01:00 PM »

Geezus Funked, step away from the draftin table! A bit to much figurin'.

BTW, being that you damn near live in a town named after a tbathtub fart "Beloit" Wisconsin, question.?

You ever see "Pistole PETE" in Rockford? Not to destroy a thread, but it pales in comparison if i can get you to drink 4 tap beer pitchers and see this local Rockford MONSTER on the electric Geetar!

If you have a life, you know who I am talking about. If not, Ill fwd the webpage. This guy is amazing.

Westy MOL · « **Reply #71 on:** June 07, 2001, 01:05:00 PM »

[edited: I'm being mean and hurting feelings again]

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Staga · « **Reply #72 on:** June 07, 2001, 01:21:00 PM »

I really would like if we could squelch some posters in here...

Adult guys acting like bunch of kiddies. Lets see if we could get this topic locked in next 5 posts ?

funkedup · « **Reply #73 on:** June 07, 2001, 01:34:00 PM »

Creamo: Nope I never seen him. When I lived in Rockford I spent as much time as possible in places other than Rockford.

PS Have you ever seen the Northolt Wing mascot, Mickey the Monkey?
He is a monster but he plays a different instrument.

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AKSWulfe · « **Reply #74 on:** June 07, 2001, 01:41:00 PM »

I simply find it funny... maybe bordering on hilarious, that the same guys promoting "ultra-realism" and "super hard FMs" (1.03FM) left AH for WW2Ol which, from reports I've read, is still a very tame FM in comparison to WB and AH.

Oh well, there's always room for double-standards.
-SW