AH2 has a "Fighter Only" arena?

[Overlag]

Originally posted by SlapShot

Mugzee ... the "fuel poking" issue has been solved in AH II so that really is no longer a concern.

the annoying thing is, this makes the game so much more unrealistic........

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by SlapShot
If all the "Fighter" types went to "Fighter Town" and all the "Land Grabbers" stayed in the MA, would all the "Land Grabbers" just fly right by each other on the way to target ?

I play more for the "fight" and only participate in the "land grab" occasionally, but I fail to believe that "Fighter Town" would be used. It would be less populated than the CT IMO.

The real solution is more balanced maps such as the maps that Fester has made. His maps provide it all as far as I am concerned.

Mugzee ... the "fuel poking" issue has been solved in AH II so that really is no longer a concern.

I guess that would depend on what your definition of "Land Grabber" would be. Some would consider the simple act of capturing a base "Land Grabbing" Some would consider a "Land Grabber" One who would NOT engage a Light Bandit while trying to deliver his Ord to the intended target. Shame on him for trying to complete his mission. But to answer the question. No they wouldnt just fly by each other.
I think yall are missing the point. The so called "Land grabber" are actually WAR sim enthusiest that wish to engage in ALL facets of battle. The so called "Aces"..you know...the ones that Mouth about landgrabbing? Those are the ones that need a "Fighter Town" Of course we all know its true that probably less than 50% of the "Aces" are full of poopoo. They wouldnt like a "fair" fight if it bit them in the Arse err 6 errr  20mm bit them on the 6.
You git the picture
PS. True balance is impossible in the current AH1 or AH2. Most of the reasons have been stated in this thread along with countless other threads.

[mars01]

The fuel porking has only moderately been solved, we just have fuel inflation right now.

The planes burn fuel at a much faster rate, so they couldn't possibly leave the pork level at 25%.  

Has anyone taken a plane up with only 25% fuel.  Your out of gas before you reach the end of the runway.  So using only 25% fuel is no longer an option in a lot of the planes.

The fact that they reduced the fuel porkage to 75% and not 50% does help but it in no way eradicates the problem.

Slap all you need for a decent fight is 10 to 20 guys at opposing fields.  That is the beauty of a Fighter Town and why the current arenas don't work.  In the CT and the DA there are too many options and people get too dispersed.  A Fighter Town does not need 200 to 500 people like the MA.

It would be nice to have the choice.

[Cooley]

So in a Dofight, a "Furballer" should be able to smack down a "Land Grabber" with ease eh Mugz? lol

You guys just love to classify, your either this or your that.
What a load of Pooop, haha

[mars01]

The so called "Aces"..you know...the ones that Mouth about landgrabbing? Those are the ones that need a "Fighter Town" Of course we all know its true that probably less than 50% of the "Aces" are full of poopoo. They wouldnt like a "fair" fight if it bit them in the Arse err 6 errr 20mm bit them on the 6.

Mugzee you keep making this accusation, but do you care to back this spewage up with some names or are you going to keep talking out of your prettythang?  

You have some good comments and dialog going, but then you discount it all with crap like this.  What "we all know is true" is that none of us know what would happen or what people would be there or not.

It's not about who is a land grabber and who is a furballer.  I would guess that most of us do both.  It is about being able to land grab any time I want, and instead of only being able to find a decent furball once and a while, have somewhere to go where I could always find a furball.

[lazs2]

anyone who doesn't notice a huge rift between building battlers and noble furballers in this game  is simply naive or comatose.

It is also true that we all want to be "part of the community".

the solution is to give everyone a choice to fly whatever he wants but... then people are forced to fly fast late war planes to compete and fields have to be far apart to accomidate the late war planes... the rift is the result.  No way to solve it with current thinking.

the solution is an early war area in the huge maps... no late war planes can get to it or take off from it's...oh... say, 12 close fields.   the early war area would have it's own reset so not affect or be affected by the rest of the arena... "the ###### have won the early war area"  for instance.  My guess is tho that mostly the early war area would be battle of britan style of fighting... everyone would still be part of the same arena with the same radios etc..  

far as I can see it is the only workable solution.

lazs

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by mars01
The fuel porking has only moderately been solved, we just have fuel inflation right now.

The planes burn fuel at a much faster rate, so they couldn't possibly leave the pork level at 25%.  

Has anyone taken a plane up with only 25% fuel.  Your out of gas before you reach the end of the runway.  So using only 25% fuel is no longer an option in a lot of the planes.

The fact that they reduced the fuel porkage to 75% and not 50% does help but it in no way eradicates the problem.

Slap all you need for a decent fight is 10 to 20 guys at opposing fields.  That is the beauty of a Fighter Town and why the current arenas don't work.  In the CT and the DA there are too many options and people get too dispersed.  A Fighter Town does not need 200 to 500 people like the MA.

It would be nice to have the choice.

The Fuel Burn rate is a setting that can be changed at the drop of a hat if HTC decided to do so. This would indicate the the current fuel burn rate setting in conjunction with the change in fuel outage setting is an attempt to cause an illusion of change. The math pans out like this. If in AH1 the fuel burn rate is x1 and in AH2 it is set at x2, then AH2 will allow a P51D 307 mins of (idle) run time on the runway with a 75% fuel load. AH1 will allow the P51D an (idle) run time of 206 minitues on the runway with a 25% fuel load. So HTC has catered to the whines of the Anti Land Grabbers.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by mars01
Mugzee you keep making this accusation, but do you care to back this spewage up with some names or are you going to keep talking out of your prettythang?  

You have some good comments and dialog going, but then you discount it all with crap like this.  What "we all know is true" is that none of us know what would happen or what people would be there or not.

It's not about who is a land grabber and who is a furballer.  I would guess that most of us do both.  It is about being able to land grab any time I want, and instead of only being able to find a decent furball once and a while, have somewhere to go where I could always find a furball.

I knew someone would eventually make this a personal matter. But i guess i brought it on by this comment from a previous reply "Of course we all know its true that probably less than 50% of the "Aces" are full of poopoo. They wouldnt like a "fair" fight if it bit them in the Arse err 6 errr 20mm bit them on the 6." My apoligies for that comment. It was foolish and rude.
Havent you been reading the BBS for any length of time? Havent you ever monitored Ch1? Of course im not going to personalize this issue. The cries about the "Land Grabbing" have been shouted thruoghout the AH Lands for quite some time now. Here in the BBS and in the MA as well. This isnt a personal issue. It is the cries of a large portion of the MA community. There are countless references to the in the BBS. If you going take it personally, then our discusion is over.
and please try not to make it personal.
Also we must be ever mindfull that the BBS community is only a fraction of the AH community. Therefore we can never conclude that the BBS is a meaningfull guage of AH public opinion.
Nope this is for discussion purpose only

[mars01]

Not taking it personal Mugz,

You can see how long I've been on the BBs for yourself and I never squelch chan1.

All I am saying is that baseless statements like that take away from your posts credability and add nothing to the conversation.  

If you added some names or something then we could get the flamefest started.

Also we must be ever mindfull that the BBS community is only a fraction of the AH community. Therefore we can never conclude that the BBS is a meaningfull guage of AH public opinion.

No doubt about it.

[Charon]

So HTC has catered to the whines of the Anti Land Grabbers.

Maybe, and I certainly don't want to speak for HT and Pyro, but maybe they just want to move things back towards a fighting style of gameplay that was common when they both started playing Air Warrior over a decade ago. I suppose that if they did it becasue they personally saw fuel porking as a problem with gameplay then they are whiners too?

Charon

[hitech]

Originally posted by lazs2
anyone who doesn't notice a huge rift between building battlers and noble furballers in this game  is simply naive or comatose.

And anyone who dosn't notice that it is YOU laz who is doing his best to create this rift and thus doing the most harm to AH is blind.


HiTech

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Charon
Maybe, and I certainly don't want to speak for HT and Pyro, but maybe they just want to move things back towards a fighting style of gameplay that was common when they both started playing Air Warrior over a decade ago. I suppose that if they did it becasue they personally saw fuel porking as a problem with gameplay then they are whiners too?

Charon

My mistake I should have stated it this way. "IMO HTC has seemingly catered to the whines of the Anti Land Grabbers. " Note: changes are in red text.
As for whether or not they are "Whiners too" i wouldnt know. They might be. Or they might not be. But one fact remains true. If they are whiners...then im pretty sure they could cater to their own whines at will.

[TequilaChaser]

It is HT's house and we either accept his gameplay/rules or find something else of interest....

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
It is HT's house and we either accept his gameplay/rules or find something else of interest....

Ruels?  this game has rules? Seriously though. I dont think we are talking about rules. I think we are refering to Game Play and the settings that effect it. And perhaps a way to improve the overall product HTC has to offer. Im certian that HT and HTC arent opposed to new ideas. And i wouldnt think that they would ignor opinion of the Cosgtomers that pays their bills. The BBS is a great place to inform the "merchant" as to the desiers of the customer. Since the customer base is so diverse, these discussions are necessary to get a feel as to how the customers views the product. Thats all

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by mars01
Not taking it personal Mugz,

You can see how long I've been on the BBs for yourself and I never squelch chan1.

All I am saying is that baseless statements like that take away from your posts credability and add nothing to the conversation.  

If you added some names or something then we could get the flamefest started. No doubt about it.

 I dont see how the comments are baseless based on the explaination i have given? Isnt it here for all to see?