Author Topic: COMMUNITY and #1 (Read 4478 times)

daddog · « **Reply #45 on:** June 24, 2004, 07:14:52 AM »

I wish I said that JoeBWan17.

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AND the ADDED BONUS is I can tune VOX to 200 and TALK to the person !

Good point jordi.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #46 on:** June 24, 2004, 07:42:42 AM »

I hate new shoes. You wear a pair for years, got them all comfortable, and then one day you have to get a new pair.

My wife will allow me to take my time when it comes to switching to the new shoes. New ones are uncomfortable. They hurt my feet after wearing them for a few hours.

But overtime, they start feeling better and then they become the ones I look to everyday. They are different, and yet the same. They serve the purpose they are intended to serve just as well as the old ones did, but they do it looking better. It just takes me a little time to get used to them.

I will go through the same thing for the next new pair as well. I will rant and rave about how uncomfortable they are. My wife will just grin and shake her head. And again the new ones will become the ones I look to each day.

dracon · « **Reply #47 on:** June 24, 2004, 07:46:55 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
And you believe 90% of the MA squelched channel one or does your point have to rest on a ludicrous statement? I think it would be more realistic to say maybe 20% squelched ch1. Why base a point on the ridiculous?

Yep sure do! Ahh! I knew better than to reply to this thread.

.squelch COMMUNITY and #1 {enter}

Ghosth · « **Reply #48 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:03:03 AM »

Thank you skuzzy, well said.

Although I believe most will miss the point.

These are the facts.

Chan 1 is gone unless HT turns it on for a Q & A session.

Chan 200 replaces it nicely.

Its on US now people. The AH community. HT tried moderators, filters you name it. It just caused more fuss, more yelling, whineing & *****in.

So now he's washed his hands of it.
Now its in OUR hands. If you want 200 to be the place everyone wants to tune.
So you can talk to your friends no matter what country. Then its now up to YOU to keep it clean.

Not HT, not moderators, youl me & the other guy. We are responsible now.

Be interesting to see how you handle it.

Virage · « **Reply #49 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:11:04 AM »

A Skuzzy Poem!

jaxxo · « **Reply #50 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:11:27 AM »

SOunds to me like a few vets are pissed because they cant here the whines from their victims after the slaughter. Some really enjoy hearing a newb whine after he repeatedly dies (myself included) However this does seem a bit sadistic, not that there is anything wrong with that. Still..seems a bit sad to bit** about not being able to taunt your opponent. Ch. 200 will come around...just needs more advertising.

RAS · « **Reply #51 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:17:56 AM »

How about just asking HT to put an opening message on the clipboard: "To send messages to members of all countries, tune radio to channel 200."

That might help resolve the issue of the new folks to the game not knowing how to talk with "everyone."

I don't typically tune to channel 200....keeps my text message buffer lower....but when I have been in a good fight or wish to have someone tell me to stop running away I will tune there for brief periods of time.

Good luck and good hunting all !!!

RASCAL

TweetyBird · « **Reply #52 on:** June 24, 2004, 12:15:02 PM »

>>I hate new shoes. You wear a pair for years, got them all comfortable, and then one day you have to get a new pair. <<

I understand, Skuzzy, but this is a stinky shoe. No matter comfortable it becomes, its always gonna stink

... so much for shopping at Payless

Burn the shoes!

Grizzly · « **Reply #53 on:** June 24, 2004, 12:15:28 PM »

I applaud and support Silat's point of view 100%.

Communication and community are the keys to a massive multi-player game such as AH. And community is largely communication, else we could as well be shooting down computer generated drones. The MMP concept was born of AirWarrior, and in AirWarrior the community was considered it's prime resource. All efforts were orientated toward furtherence of the community. Besides the radio, there were officers club rooms, conference rooms and briefing rooms where the players could assemble. These were so successful they were used for training and conferences.

AH is missing a lot of this. Now, IMO the loss of the world channel has taken us a step further away from this resource. Sure, one can still tune to 200, but it's required and not all are there (instead of "world", it's more like "coalition of the willing").

One of the things a new player has the greatest problem with is the radio. So many times I tried to help a new player but couldn't get a response. Either he didn't know how to use the radio, or was too shy (anyone remember the first time someone stuck a tape recorder in your face... most can only think of "testing 1,2,3"). Now they have to know how to tune 200 before we can even hear them.

Why give in to trouble makers? We suffer the loss of channel 1 because of them, and #200 may only embolden them. Volunteer monitors served well in AirWarrior. Sure, there will always be complaints, but the vast majority of players appreciate them. But these volunteers must be carefully selected, trained and monitored, which is a huge task for a small company like HTC. The answer is to use volunteers to manage the moderators. AirWarrior did this with great success. We even have one of those managers here in AH, so the resource is available if HTC would choose to use it. This concept also works quite well with other player services, like training. How many here were volunteer trainers in AW (another available resource)?

The answer is in the community. That is the great thing about the community concept. HTC can provide the game environment and the guidelines, and let the community manage itself. That was the AirWarrior motto. It empowers the players rather than neuter them. It makes use of a huge resource rather than discourage it. And it adds a certain community pride and ethic to the game, rather than appease the trouble makers.

grizzly

SlapShot · « **Reply #54 on:** June 24, 2004, 12:30:03 PM »

Sure, one can still tune to 200, but it's required and not all are there (instead of "world", it's more like "coalition of the willing").

It should be a "coalition of the willing" and not forced down one's throat.

If I want to see something on TV, I tune to the channel ... all the others that I don't care to view, I don't tune to them. Same thing here.

Everybody is making a mountain out of a molehill here. Two weeks into no CH 1 and the chicken littles are all over the place professing community doom. I hardly think that's the case.

Again I say, by the end of the July Tour, you will see no difference between CH 200 and CH 1 ... with the exception of one HAVING to tune to CH 200 to participate with "the world".

Magoo · « **Reply #55 on:** June 24, 2004, 12:41:45 PM »

OK then, If Skuzzy is so smart then how come he's wearing the neighbor's shoes? (stolen from the movie "Parenthood")

Magoo

TweetyBird · « **Reply #56 on:** June 24, 2004, 01:05:52 PM »

>>Two weeks into no CH 1 and the chicken littles are all over the place professing community doom. I hardly think that's the case. <<

Ok perhaps you could explain a couple of things to me.

Will channel 200 be unmonitored, and people allowed to ack like fools, spouting any and every obscenity? I doubt it. So that isn't the reason the community was moved to 200. Will people be allowed to monopolize ch200 with racist, political, or philisophical diatribes? I doubt it. So that isn't the reason for moving the community.

What was the reason? I get the impression that a loud minority didn't like the banter and didn't want anyone else liking it either.
Some people on here complain like they were forced to read every single line of what came over channel one, as if they had no control over their eyeballs. Its not much different the posts on this bbs complaining about a certain subject they are somehow *forced* to read. Here's a clue to those - DON"T READ IT MORON.
And, oh gracious, if your eyes should accidently wonder over it, IGNORE IT.

So now people load a game that has a useless channel tuned on their radio. See what happens when software tries to think for stupid people? The software gets stupid.

jordi · « **Reply #57 on:** June 24, 2004, 01:18:17 PM »

I think the SILENT Majority has spoken.

They do not care if CHAN 1 STAYS or GOES to CHAN 200.

Therefore it boils down to the two sets of vocal minorities of those that want CHAN 1 to stay or CHAN 1 to GO to CHAN 200.

And it looks like the Powers to be are leaning toward the vocal minority that want CHAN 1 to GO to CHAN 200.

SlapShot · « **Reply #58 on:** June 24, 2004, 01:27:57 PM »

Etch ...

Will channel 200 be unmonitored, and people allowed to ack like fools, spouting any and every obscenity? I doubt it. So that isn't the reason the community was moved to 200. Will people be allowed to monopolize ch200 with racist, political, or philisophical diatribes? I doubt it. So that isn't the reason for moving the community.

Seems like you have all the answers so no need for me to address them like you asked.

Some people on here complain like they were forced to read every single line of what came over channel one, as if they had no control over their eyeballs. Its not much different the posts on this bbs complaining about a certain subject they are somehow *forced* to read. Here's a clue to those - DON"T READ IT MORON.
And, oh gracious, if your eyes should accidently wonder over it, IGNORE IT.

Kinda like my TV analogy. Tune to what you want to see, if thats what you want to see.

If I hate to watch the Cartoon Network, I would be real pissed at my cable provider if every time I turned on my TV, it always had the Cartoon Channel tuned as a default.

When CH 1 was alive, I could selectivly read and not read the drivel spewed out. I do the same with CH 200 now ... no big deal.

I just find it incredulous to see people stamping their feet and coming up with lame excuses to try to bring CH 1 back, when all you have to do is tune to CH 200 ... they are one in the same, with the exception that now YOU have to actively choose to tune to CH 200.

HTC has put the responsibilty of tuning to the "trash channel" on us, rather than jamming it down someone's throat. Its just that simple ... and really not that hard.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #59 on:** June 24, 2004, 01:48:26 PM »

>>HTC has put the responsibilty of tuning to the "trash channel" on us, rather than jamming it down someone's throat. Its just that simple ... and really not that hard.<<

Simpler would have been the ability to perma squelch 1 or any channel (e.g. ch6). That would have been a win win option.
The problem was not that it was on ch1, the problem was the few who didn't know how to avoid it, or the program didn't save a list of sqelched channels in the settings file.

Typical echange of someone scarred by ch1:

Newbie:this conversation is disgusting
ArTiCulatoR: type .squelch1

viola

But this option allows the banter to continue unfettered, and some folks don't want that - you know - that book burning crowd

And I rather think of the "trash channel" as the propaganda channel - like Tokyo Rose.