Author Topic: COMMUNITY and #1 (Read 4319 times)

sling322 · « **Reply #75 on:** June 24, 2004, 09:53:10 PM »

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Originally posted by TDeacon
Thoughts on "the other side's" point of view...

1) They were obviously strongly offended by something they heard on channel 1. The tone of their comments in this thread reflects this, with emotionally loaded terms such as "sewer", "dirty", etc. Also, many of them seem angry at those of us who found channel 1 useful.

2) Instead of taking advantage of available alternatives to shield themselves from what they heard on channel 1 (".squelch 1"), they instead support elimination of channel 1 not only for themselves, for for everyone else as well. This seems somewhat unbalanced, although I am admittedly biased.

3) Statements that channel 200 is the same thing, show that they are not reading carefully, or don't want to read carefully. Please note my reasonably clear example back near the beginning of this thread. With channel 1, I could have paged the guy immediately, and if no response after 1 or 2 tries, dropped it.

Another one who doesnt "get it."

Channel 1 was removed by HTC....not some concerted lobbying effort by any group in the game. Obviously, HTC was offended by the direction that channel 1 had taken over the last few years.

You and your buddy Tweety need to get over it and realize that you arent being persecuted and that there is no "other side" that is taking away your "rights."

TweetyBird · « **Reply #76 on:** June 24, 2004, 10:10:11 PM »

>>You and your buddy Tweety need to get over it and realize that you arent being persecuted and that there is no "other side" that is taking away your "rights."<<

And you need to read closer - the software can't do that for you.

escafe · « **Reply #77 on:** June 24, 2004, 10:59:21 PM »

If people don't tune into channel 200 it's because they choose not to ... plain and simple. It would be no different if it was called channel one but defaulted off instead of on. Any noob that's been online more than 1 day can find out how to get channel 200 if he wants to. I appreciate that I don't have to squelch it every time I log on but if I wanted to read the pointless drivel on channel 200 I'm sure I could figure out how to.

As Sling (I think it was him) alluded to, it's not like we're missing quotes from the great masters.

TheCage · « **Reply #78 on:** June 24, 2004, 11:08:58 PM »

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Channel 200 doesn't seem to be an adequate substitute, because most people don't use it.

Guess you know why channel one was turned off then.

jordi · « **Reply #79 on:** June 24, 2004, 11:36:40 PM »

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Originally posted by TDeacon
Thoughts on "the other side's" point of view...

1) They were obviously strongly offended by something they heard on channel 1. The tone of their comments in this thread reflects this, with emotionally loaded terms such as "sewer", "dirty", etc. Also, many of them seem angry at those of us who found channel 1 useful.

Jordi - I found at times Chan 1 usefull - but to me not enuf to over come the other side effects of the non-usefull stuff that appeared on cahn 1.

2) Instead of taking advantage of available alternatives to shield themselves from what they heard on channel 1 (".squelch 1"), they instead support elimination of channel 1 not only for themselves, for for everyone else as well. This seems somewhat unbalanced, although I am admittedly biased.

Jordi - personally I never lobbied for chan 1 to go away - but I am not bemoanings its lose now that it is gone - since it was not much of a lose to me in the first place.

3) Statements that channel 200 is the same thing, show that they are not reading carefully, or don't want to read carefully. Please note my reasonably clear example back near the beginning of this thread. With channel 1, I could have paged the guy immediately, and if no response after 1 or 2 tries, dropped it.

Jordi - Right now you can page on chan 200 - if he does not answer you he is not listening to chan 200 or is ignoring it - just like it may have happened on chan 1. Even with chan 1 ON ( I never squelched it - just ignored it ) back in the "old Days" frequently people would have to type to me on country chan orprivate or vox someone was looking for me on chan 1. Now they need to tell me that someone is looking forme on chan 200 instead.

ZZ3 · « **Reply #80 on:** June 25, 2004, 01:31:59 AM »

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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
ESPN8 "The Ocho" (The Movie Dodgeball)

We could play dodge ball!

twitchy · « **Reply #81 on:** June 25, 2004, 06:50:09 AM »

Channel 1 was getting out of hand, period. I saw language on there I wouldn't use while getting flayed alive by drunken sailors. I saw attitudes and arguements that went way beyond belligerence, I saw people basically text accosted for expressing opinions (imagine that) and it was getting hostile and down right nasty at times to the point where i didn't let my son play the game. Most chat rooms, most on line games include some sort of moderation, the ones that don't inevitably and eventually fall victim to childishness and crudeness and it takes away from the game, and from the sense of community that we all take part in creating. When i shoot somebody down and they come on a public channel to tell me that my mother is a *um Sucking *hore then this has gone too far. Yes I could squelch him, or yes I can get a screen shot of it and email a complaint, but by then, the damage has been done to myself and to the community at large. New players, Kids, Preachers, and regular joes play this game, and why should they have to listen to this sort of garbage when they pay to play it. I support any action which would limit the garbage. I don't like having to tune to a channel to talk to the rest of the community though and I have a sneaking suspiscion that chan 200 is goign to follow in the same footsteps. I hate to say it but we need a moderator, an objective moderator that isn't going to boot a guy that ho's em down either. As much money as we pour into this game and the company HTC, we deserve some sort of prevention without having to scarifice the communication of the community at large. I enjoyed an open channel, honestly, and sometimes I even enjoyed the occasional taunts, but good grief it got out of hand and it will again no matter what channel becomes the norm. The only cure for this that seems realistic to me is somebody down there in TX is going to have to moderate it, or its going to end up right back in the same boat it sank in to begin with.
And while I'm at it, cross country private messaging is a spy's wonderland, yuck. (oh god I used the S word, there goes this thread eh?)

SlapShot · « **Reply #82 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:24:34 AM »

3) Statements that channel 200 is the same thing, show that they are not reading carefully, or don't want to read carefully. Please note my reasonably clear example back near the beginning of this thread. With channel 1, I could have paged the guy immediately, and if no response after 1 or 2 tries, dropped it.

I guess you are guilty of not reading carefully yourself. I responed to this notion.

Again ...

This would be no different if that guy had CH 1 squelched. You came over CH 200 asking who it was ... I put out a call on Rook Country Channel and found him for you. He did indeed have CH 200 not tuned.

I have also done this numerous times when CH 1 was active. Again ... no difference between CH 200 and CH 1.

TDeacon · « **Reply #83 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:40:53 AM »

Since I am in an argumentative mood this morning, I will respond to sling322's comments, rather than ignoring them. :-)

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Another one who doesnt "get it."

Channel 1 was removed by HTC....not some concerted lobbying effort by any group in the game. Obviously, HTC was offended by the direction that channel 1 had taken over the last few years.
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I know it was removed by HTC. However HTC can be influenced by logical argument - hence this thread. If you feel that this discussion is useless, why are you wasting your time with it?

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You and your buddy Tweety need to get over it and realize that you arent being persecuted and that there is no "other side" that is taking away your "rights."
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Again, you need to read things more carefully. Please read the post again.... Good... Now you will observe that nothing in the post says I think I am being persecuted or that I have "rights" in Aces High. (Actually I consider it an honor and priviledge to be allowed to play this fine game for only $15. per month, given that I started out in AW in 1991 paying $5. per hour on Genie. I used to spend hundreds of dollars a month, and I was a student back then with limited income.)

TDeacon · « **Reply #84 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:51:56 AM »

Oh good, another person to argue with:

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I guess you are guilty of not reading carefully yourself. I responed to this notion.

Again ...

This would be no different if that guy had CH 1 squelched. You came over CH 200 asking who it was ... I put out a call on Rook Country Channel and found him for you. He did indeed have CH 200 not tuned.

I have also done this numerous times when CH 1 was active. Again ... no difference between CH 200 and CH 1.Slapshot:
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1) Thanks for helping me out, if you were the one who IDed Virage for me.

2) I agree that the difficulty would have been equivalent had channel 1 been there, but squelched by Virage. However, in such a scenario, I would have given up trying to contact him after a try or 2. Reason for this is that I consider squelching channel 1 a more definate indication of desire for privacy than failing to activate channel 200.

SlapShot · « **Reply #85 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:59:02 AM »

2) I agree that the difficulty would have been equivalent had channel 1 been there, but squelched by Virage. However, in such a scenario, I would have given up trying to contact him after a try or 2. Reason for this is that I consider squelching channel 1 a more definate indication of desire for privacy than failing to activate channel 200.

What you are assuming is that Virage didn't know about CH 200 and wasn't tuned ... where on the other hand, he might have known about it, and didn't tune for all the same reason that he might have had CH 1 squelched.

If you can just throw the switch in your head that CH 200 is CH 1 you will save yourself all this angst.

hogenbor · « **Reply #86 on:** June 25, 2004, 10:00:04 AM »

I once met a P-47 in a P-51D. He was quite a lot higher and I couldn't climb up to him. So I turned around and tried to grab altitude. He didn't follow and kill me (easily could have done so) but hovered at 30.000 feet or so. When he saw me retreat, instead of stalling out a few 1000 feet under him, he taunted me on channel 1 for about 30 minutes. He was continously telling what a dweeb I was that didn't want to fight and that I was following him etc. etc. ceaselessly.

After a long time he had to come down to land and I finally got the chance to close in. At that point he was telling everyone that I had at least 5000 feet on him (we were about co-alt then). He did a high speed dive towards a crowded friendly base but I got strikes on him, but the P-47 saved his butt. I got away too.

The must fun thing of this was that I completely ignored him. If I had shot him down I would have him to really piss him off, but alas, it was not to be.

But maybe I'll get used to the new shoes

Love the game, not much time to play though.

sling322 · « **Reply #87 on:** June 25, 2004, 10:10:05 AM »

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Originally posted by TDeacon
Since I am in an argumentative mood this morning, I will respond to sling322's comments, rather than ignoring them. :-)

So you are denying the fact that the tone of your post indicates that you believe there was a concerted lobbying effort to have channel 1 removed? Just because folks are coming out after the fact and agreeing with HTC's decision to shut down channel 1 doesn't mean that there were a flood of complaints about it. I dont recall seeing a lot of complaints about channel 1 other than the odd idiot whining about being muted by the moderator for what he deemed to be something not worthy of a mute job.

I could care less whether or not channel 1 is turned on or off. I enjoyed the friendly banter and saying hi to folks when I would log on or off, but it has become quite a different attitude on that channel over the last few years and if HTC deems it appropriatte to turn it off, maybe it will teach the community a lesson. I doubt it but you never know....

wrag · « **Reply #88 on:** June 25, 2004, 10:59:37 AM »

I ignored channel 1 most of the time but every now and then some one would put forth a word or 2 that caught my eye.

Didn't care for the word or 2, or what was passing for converstaion much of the time on channel 1. I don't care about Bush, or Kerr, or what Al Gore created, or arguments about the war. I'm here to fly. I want to see that stuff I go look it up.

Channel 200 is very rarely tuned here. I'm very happy without it. It is not tuned on purpose where I'm concerned!

Also started noticing some very young voice's on from time to time. Odd times at that. Like 2 am my time.

I saluted another player today because in my book he, or perhaps it was a she, deserved it. Didn't need channel 1 to do it, or channel 200 either.

This burn the books thing doesn't seem to fit this situation IMHO. You wanna talk trash? Then go to 200 and talk trash, if that's what you wanna do. We all play we all pay. So why do I have to see all this grade school stuff if I would rather not? Right now if you want it you got it. Right now if I don't want it I don't have to turn it off every time I log on. AND I believe once you tune to 200 it stays there and doesn't need to be retuned all the time. AND NOW YOU can TALK to each other on VOX as well.

You wanna talk/type to everyone? Sorry maybe I don't wanna hear/see it, maybe they don't wanna hear/see it. You wanna talk/type to me? Private me, if I wanna talk/type to you I'll responed provided i'm not engaged at the time.

A final point I have NOT seen mentioned is the text buffer load could create a possible, minor perhaps, bandwidth slow down! Seem to recall HT expressing something along those lines but not real sure. You gettin allot of disco's, stutters, freezes, and CTD's? Hmm you got 200 tuned? Maybe untune it for a session or 2 and see if it improves your FPS?

I confess I like the lower amount of clutter in the text buffer, less time needed to read it. I actually pay a little more attention to whats in the buffer then I used too. Doesn't mean I don't miss talkin with some, but if or when I want to I can chose to.

Zanth · « **Reply #89 on:** June 25, 2004, 11:32:20 AM »

If Channel 200 "hasn't taken off" - there is likely a reason for that. The very fact channel 200 "hasn't taken off" is a daily sweeping vote of support for hitech's decision. Case closed.

PS - "1-ALL" needs to be removed from the channel list - confuses the newbies