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Offline XtrmeJ

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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2004, 10:36:28 PM »
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 Apparently not. How many customers have you lost because moderators were not on “having to police”? Or how many have customers have you lost because a moderator did policed things a little too well and you spent an hour on the phone dealing with someone who was offended because they were muted. No offence, but you are looking at this from your side only.


I've seen posts about ppl very disappointed with ch1 (amongst other things) and were contemplating quiting. That also counts as loosing a customer. So we need to find a happy medium. Not just from "your side or mine" so to speak. ;) Because after all, these our just opinions, right? :D

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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2004, 10:37:46 PM »
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No more obnoxious or bad talk on one.  Its a lot better now.   Thank You HTC and the Staff at Aces High.


What you guys dont understand is the fact that this "bad talk" is confined to just a few bad apples. Many of us enjoy interacting with other players... ALL PLAYERS. With No Ch1, the "community" aspect of the game has been taken way out of the picture.

I can't help but think HTC is more concerned with getting new players on board and less concerned with how the players who have been around for a while feel about changes that are being made.
DO NOT get me wrong here. I understand HTC's concerns. But I also beleive that there needs to be a middle ground to be had. Rather, we have "That takes care of that" and its gone and it doesn't matter if you like it or not.

I couldn't agree MORE with Silat with what he said. I have completely removed myself from the game. Myself, and many of my squad mates are even looking for new games out there to play. Thats not something I like to admit, nor like to think about. I really loved Aces High for many reasons. The biggest was the fact that no matter what was going on in the air, I always had something to talk about and someone to talk to on Ch1.

Many of you guys who talk about how bad Ch1 is don't understand the simple fact that it wasn't always 'bad' nor was it really that 'bad' just before it was taken away. We seemed to get a few very bad apples that came into the game. I've said it many times before. A little smack talk or poking fun is good IMHO. It puts some competition into the game. Adds.... Well it adds some 'spice'...      What we have now is just a bland plain white wrapper filled with nothing more than saw dust.

The player interaction is near NIl. WHat I mean is player interaction with in the community as a whole. Not just with your fellow countrymen. Which to me (the community aspect) is what kept me around and playing as long and as much as I used to and hoped to keep doing. Its sad but I really just dont want to play anymore because of this horrible change.

HiTech when I talked to you a while back (on the phone) you honestly were making some sence to me. With your reasons for getting rid of Ch1... I still had my doubts that it was a 'good thing' for the game but I was not about to tell you what I thought you should do with your company.

Well I still wont tell you what I think you should do but I will tell you what I think about the change you've made to the game with getting rid of Ch1 completely and offering no 'middle ground' (by middle ground I mean keep Ch1 but offer it as default off). You said there were mods in the game (many of them). I can almost positively say that is not the case. I've seen many times one person rolling off one absurd remark after another with near impunity. For an hour or more at times. Where were the mods then?

Basicly what I think you did to the game is take a well rounded COMMUNITY BASED game and turned it into little more than solitary confinment. That whole circle of 400+ friends is not broken up and separated like children. And its sad because not all acted as such. And the ones that did were not properly dealt with, because if they were they wouldn't have continued to be seen spewing garbage.

When I first started playing I learned a TON of info from Ch1 by reading what was going on and what was being said. I had a very easy way to ask a question and have it answered almost immediately. New players no longer have this option. I highly doubt most new players coming into the game even know about Ch200. They do not have the benifit that others had when they were able to ask a question to not only those on their team but to ask it to the entire Main Arena. And lets face it, when you ask a question on Ch2 the likely hood of you getting an answer it next to imposible many times. But if you call out that a vulch is going on players will jump out of their chairs and flock to one base for 2 or 3 vulches.  Ch1 was seen by all that had it tuned. It was used by the vast majority of those who played the game. Those who complained cried like little girls about how bad it was COULD have and SHOULD have squelched it, if it was as hard to stand as they seem to think it was.

Its like lighting a torch, touching it, getting burnt, and doing it again. Hey stupid! Turn it off! Then go on your marry way.

Basicly what I think about the whole thing is simple...

Blah.

But I guess it no longer matters what I think or anyone else thinks. Right?
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2004, 10:47:16 PM »
I totally agree Morph. If it is so simple just to turn ch200 or not, then what was not so simple about typing ".squelch 1" if you did not want to see it? I'd just rather have it back and as Morpheus has said, have it defaulty set to "off mode".

Also if ppl get offended for being muted for 10 min, or can not handle being moderated because of something previous that they have said, they need to learn to quit typing the obscenities.

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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2004, 10:49:07 PM »
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The problem with channel 200 is that most people don't use it. This doesn't mean they don't want to talk, however.
For two reasons. 1st it is not automatically tuned to 200. And why? Well that is because it would become a Channel 1. 2nd players have only been using 200 for a few days. Can you give it 6 months a year? I think you will find most of the regulars will be tuning to it.

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For example, the other day I had an interesting, inconclusive dogfight which lasted 15 minutes. Since neither of us died, I had no easy way to ID my opponent, even though I wanted to exchange observations after I landed. I eventually tracked the guy down by:

1) Guessing his country by looking at ownership of nearby bases.

2) Going on channel 200 and asking if anyone was on from that country.

3) When someone on channel 200 finally replied in the affirmative, I described the situation, which took some time, and requested the person go on that country's channel and inquire as to the ID of my opponent. They kindly agreed to do this.

4) I was later informed of the likely ID of my opponent, and guessing at the spelling, typed his ID into the radio and was able to contact him.

5) Even though my opponent hadn't tuned into channel 200, it turned out that they were still willing to exchange friendly comments on the recent fight.

Note how complicated this all was. Had channel 1 still been operational, I would have been able to inquire directly, and would have gotten an answer immediately, not 15 minutes later after I landed.

Get the picture??? :-)
Yes, but again only one side of the picture you paint. You describe an inconvenience. I wonder how many HTC lost accounts they could describe due to abuse of channel 1.

For me the bottom line is I wish we could use Channel 1. I usually say hello to guys from other countries as you probably do. I have been around a long time and have several friends that fly for other countries. It is a pain to private tune all those guys just to say hi. It is real easy to use Channel 1, say hello, and chat, but I understand why they pulled it and fully support their reasons.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2004, 10:49:17 PM »
The 200 switch is one of the most brilliant things HTC has ever done. My kudos.

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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2004, 11:04:05 PM »
Daddog,

The long quote in your last post is from my post.  In it, you inadvertently modified what I was saying (item #2).  Would appreciate it if you would edit your post to correct this.  Thanks, in advance.  :-)

BTW, I am not asking HTC to lose money, as I want them to continue to exist and prosper.  This game is priceless.  I do believe however, that a properly moderated channel 1 would please more people than it would displease, and thus that they would not be hurt financially.  No data to support this belief, however.

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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2004, 11:17:37 PM »
I still fail to see what channel 200 doesn't offer that channel 1 did except for one thing: a more or less captive audience.

The only other solution that I could see would be to keep channel 1 but offer either one or both of the following: a perma squelch for it or a feature that allows you to disable/enable it.  Seems to me that we already have one of them in channel 200.

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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2004, 11:21:11 PM »
Whats wrong with bringing chan 1 back and allowing the community to sanction folks.  for example, you get squelched if more than 15 type squelch .(yourname) in ten minutes...   just one example but being judged by your peers seems like a fair way to police.  Or, HT could promote chan 200 so more folks know of it... there are many ways to to accomplish something...

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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2004, 11:27:46 PM »
TDeacon, corrected! Thanks for pointing that out. That is what I get for debating something while trying to get the kids to bed. :rolleyes:

rabbid, I think in a short period of time anyone new to the game will hear about 200 and tune to it if they wish.
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2004, 11:31:14 PM »
>>The 200 switch is one of the most brilliant things HTC has ever done. My kudos.
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I agree, but its not original. Throughout history, "unpleasant voice " have been removed (e.g., poisoning philosphers, puratanism, communism, and our current "political correctness.")
But everytime, its lead to change. I can't wait to see how this changes a virtual society.

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Yea right - and power has nothing to do with it eh?

Was just too hard to tune out the smack talk eh? Was just to hard not to read it eh? Yea right - sell it to someone in with a double digit IQ. Anyone in triple digits knows its a power play.


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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2004, 11:40:48 PM »
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The problem with channel 200 is that most people don't use it.  This doesn't mean they don't want to talk, however.  

For example, the other day I had an interesting, inconclusive dogfight which lasted 15 minutes.  Since neither of us died, I had no easy way to ID my opponent, even though I wanted to exchange observations after I landed.  I eventually tracked the guy down by:

1)  Guessing his country by looking at ownership of nearby bases.

2)  Going on channel 200 and asking if anyone was on from that country.

3)  When someone on channel 200 finally replied in the affirmative, I described the situation, which took some time, and requested the person go on that country's channel and inquire as to the ID of my opponent.  They kindly agreed to do this.  

4)  I was later informed of the likely ID of my opponent, and guessing at the spelling, typed his ID into the radio and was able to contact him.  

5)  Even though my opponent hadn't tuned into channel 200, it turned out that they were still willing to exchange friendly comments on the recent fight.  

Note how complicated this all was.  Had channel 1 still been operational, I would have been able to inquire directly, and would have gotten an answer immediately, not 15 minutes later after I landed.  

Get the picture???   :-)


And what if he was one of those guys that squelched CH 1. You would have asked the same questions and I would have found out who he was just the same as I did that night.

Weak arguement for enabling CH 1. Get the picture ?

Everybody is saying ... "Put more moderators on Ch 1 ... give them more teeth" ... baaaah.

Look back further in time on this BBS (search for moderator) and you will find MULTIPLE post about people whining that the moderators who did take action were "Gestapo" agents and that HTC was wacko for appointing them moderators.

"Oh ... that moderator has it out for me ... blah-blah said this and I said that and I get muted and he didn't .. HTC you couldn't pick decent moderators if your life depended on it ... I demand you give up the name of the moderator or get rid of him .... waaaaaa".

What Mathman said ...
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2004, 11:54:41 PM »
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I totally agree Morph. If it is so simple just to turn ch200 or not, then what was not so simple about typing ".squelch 1" if you did not want to see it? I'd just rather have it back and as Morpheus has said, have it defaulty set to "off mode".

Also if ppl get offended for being muted for 10 min, or can not handle being moderated because of something previous that they have said, they need to learn to quit typing the obscenities.


XJ ... its just like AH Night ... the whine has been moved to the other side of the fence. Yes it is simple to squelch CH1, just as simple as it is to tune to CH 200 ... HT decided that we must all tune to CH 200 (the other side of the fence) ... simple as that.

People dont get offended at getting muted, they get pissed and then the finger pointing starts, followed by whines on the BBS and probably scathing emails to HTC that we never see.

I have tuned to CH 200 since AH II Beta and I can attest that the conversations, smack talk, and communications that existed on CH 1 are alive and well on CH 200.

I would say that by the end of the July Tour, CH 200 will be raging just like CH 1 was back "in the day".
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2004, 12:03:26 AM »
I think it's brilliant because it's still there.

But you have to *choose* it. It's not foisted upon the newbie as part of the game.

No longer does the newbie install AH and get bombarded with "Kerry sucks". Ya have to want it. And if you do, you can't complain.

To me personally... It's made things more.... immersive.

It always took something away from the game when I could hear the "enemy" chatter about wotevah MSNBC. Now, if my own country chatters about it, it's kind of natural. I'd expect that. Even back then. But not from the "enemy".

Don't get me wrong... the community is important and all... It's just that I don't really feel like hearing whatever you think it is that's so important for you to say while I try to maintain control of an ahrplane.

I don't care about Bush when I'm up. I don't think that you should think that I should think that I care about Bush when I'm up.

To those who want automatic-in-yer-face-aol-chat:  Just what is it that you think is so important about what you say?

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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2004, 12:11:02 AM »
It's simple...Let those that want to Babble, taunt, and BS instead of fly, tune channel 200 instead of having 90% of the MA have to .squelch 1 {enter}  It's brilliant!  Txs HTC

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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2004, 12:17:40 AM »
And you believe 90% of the MA squelched channel one or does your point have to rest on a ludicrous statement? I think it would be more realistic to say maybe 20% squelched ch1. Why base a point on the ridiculous?

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