U.S. warned it could lose air supremacy

[Preon1]

Originally posted by mjolnir
One guy said that he started off 9k behind a 22 and within 270º of turn the 22 had a shot on him and there was nothing he could do to get away from it.  It's an awesome capability that the AF needs if they want to stay ahead of the rest of the world.  If there's one thing we despise, it's a fair fight.

Don't forget the stealth aspect.  While I'll admit that there's a chance that we'll get in a conflict where planes engage each other, it's MUCH more likely that our planes will engage ground targets.  Aircraft detection has progressed WELL beyond the countermeasures that we can put on the F-15.  As long as we desire a capability of having the person see the target before he selects and bombs it, we'll need aircraft that can successfully navigate the enemy defenses to and from the area.

[Replicant]

Originally posted by StracCop
Simple.

Stop funding the United Nations and
build the jets.

Oh, and while we're at it, pull all of
our troops out of Europe.  Sure, it will
damage certain economies over there
and will cause them to start ponying
up more for their own defense but hey,
we need 'em elsewhere.

I wouldn't like to fly a F117 from the USA to the Middle East!

[BlckMgk]

Can't We load up b-52's with Phoenix missles just a few 5? for Air To Air?, And have a support b-52 with those chemical lazer swivel nose to shoot down Incoming SAMS?

I mean we could go back to the old days of formation flying, a few of them together. That is of course if they aren't flying in formation already. (Always figured they were flying independently of each other for more flexibility when giving support over a large field of battle)

Always thought aswell that pheonix was one bad prettythang missle, range of 90+ NM

-BM

[AKIron]

Don't know about Phoenix's but the B52 can certainly be loaded up with cruise missiles. If ya haven't read "Flight of the Old Dog" by Dale Brown ya oughta, very entertaining. Wish somebody would redo the game 360 did based on the book. Was a lotta fun.

[Toad]

The Phoenix is a BIG missile. It's good against the less maneuverable targets but it's not necessarily the weapon of choice against top-line fighters unless they have no idea it's coming.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Gixer

Any votes on China being the worlds next super power?


...-Gixer

I bet India before China.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Not the fastest.  The F-15 can do Mach 2.5, F-14 can do Mach 1.88.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-14.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm

You right, F15 fastest but in the following 2 links says F15 max speed around Mach2.5  with the F14 around Mach 2.34

http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/eagle.htm
http://www.is.northropgrumman.com/products/navy_products/f14/f14.html

Internet is such a diverse source of differing information don't you think.

and that stupid program on modern marvels( history channel)  flat out lied when they said the F 14 was the fastest Fighter, unless they was talking fastest Navy fighter but failed to mention the latter.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The US military is the only force in the world capable of any sort of large scale global operations now and into the foresseable future.

It might be capable of it, but can the US afford it?  The US had to go even further into debt to pay for the Iraq invasion.

[Toad]

Could the Allies "afford" WW2?

I believe they all went heavily into debt.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Krusher
I bet India before China.

Dosn't India still have over 60% of it's population earning less the a 1$ a day? Hency in poverty. India's economy is doing well, but not on the scale and size of China's. Plus there's China's population,resources and military.

Think China is along way ahead of India.



...-Gixer

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Toad
Could the Allies "afford" WW2?

I believe they all went heavily into debt.

I'm not sure.  I know Britain was still making payments decades later to alot of the allies, and they did have wealth accumulated from the worlds largest empire to draw upon.

[Toad]

Thrawn, I doubt there's any country out there that as enough money in their budget in the "contingency fund" to fight a major war without going into debt.

Grun's point stands, I think. What other country can deploy across the globe with enough ground/air/naval power to fight a major war?

Would it cost a huge amount of money? I'm sure it would. AFAIK historically, EVERY time that has happened it has cost a huge amount of money and led to debt no matter what nation attempted it.

But that wasn't Grun's point, was it?

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Toad
Could the Allies "afford" WW2?

I believe they all went heavily into debt.

I once heard that Finland was the only Allied Country to ever pay back it's war debt to the US in full. Is this true?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by lada
well nothing personal, but you seems to be  Euro hater no.1 w/o sense for humour

and whats worst w/o any knowledge of Eastern europe.

We are happy to have good relationships with ME, we dont have to vulch them to make bussines with them

 and about price of oil ... IMAO in past year price of oil product  has been raised by 3-5% here ..... what about your country ?

Lada,

All I'm trying to point out is that I think yiu are rather short sighted in your celebration of china's upcoming surge in power. I think that your apparen dislike of the USA has clouded you to the fcat that china's ascendance will hurt Europe just as much and in many cases more than the USA. Fuel costs will be just one, it's simply a fact that Europe relies on  much greater % of mid east oil than the USA. When china gets after that oil you will feel it.

Second lets not forget who china is. Chila is an opressive communist dictatorship. Now I may be wrong in saying this, but perhaps that has some nostaligic appeal to you - especillly considering your repeated staements againmst the USA. But the cold war is over.  Now you really have to reaximine vlaues and culture.

China does not nearly share the same cultural and political values and priorities with Europe and the EU as does the USA, yes, even with the various differences. Europe and the USA benefit tremendously from the USA superpower status in most every way from political to economic to social power.  Why do you seem happy to see the end of this?

Put quite simply, you seem to not have your priorities and intrests quite though trough at this time.

[lada]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
 Why do you seem happy to see the end of this?

 

Because US has become pretty arogant on national level. It were probably clear that it could happen, since reputation of normal people of US went strait down few years ago.
Arogance of US is not less dangerous that arogance from any other regime regardless if they are commies or total theocratic fanatics.




China is very diferent from Europe. But China grow pretty fast and way, how to have good relations with them is not in isolation or hostility. More open we are to china, more open is china to us. Some of my friends has gone to china for few years. I have many chinese friends around me and i see how they are changeing. More they know about us, more they understand us and vice versa. Everybody know that in the world of educated people totalist regime can not survive.


Im wondering whats your attitude toward China ?



btw What did you mean that they do not share same Cultural values ?