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[Wotan]

Folks knew who I was after all I was CM ffor the kurland event...

Folks knew who I posted under for the last 2 years until I reverted back to my wotan nic on the bbs.

If he could read he would understand just what this means:

at that time I picked up my old nic and reverted back to my orig bbs nic so that my bbs name would match my game name.

Just like everything else he posts about he pretends to know whats what but just makes it up as he goes.

17 betas? Those are tours not betas ya dolt...

[Hajo]

Mugzee.....if you were here for the Beta of AHI you would realize this is far from the finished product.

HT,Pyro and the group were online every day, flying and fielding requests and questions.

Be patient.....it will get the Maestros Brush, and be very very good.

Hard to please everyone.



And most of us that are responding forgot about the MA as soon as the Beta Version became a viable flight sim.  I would guess we started flyng the Beta version full time at least a month before the demise of AHI, and didn't return to the MA at that time.

During that month, because we spent so much time in the Beta arena our whines and suggestions were made known

Thus...you now have AHII....our input was heard, I'm sure yours will be heard also!

[Batz]

See if he can figure this out...

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Mugzeee
Why?
In Ah1 we had an icon distance counter that was in increments of 100. (900-800-700, ect) With the release we had the New icon counter in increments of 200 (1000-800-600 ect.)
It was reported by many that this created a problem of determining wether the icon was closing or seperating.
HTC decided the solution was to add  + or - to the left of the icon that will indicate seperation or closure.
Question is why?
Obviously they heard the cries of the players and decided to make a change. This would idicate that HTC agrees that a change was needed. However...instead of using the old icon counter system from AH1 they decided that they would creat a New "New icon counter"
Why not use the one we got used to? With so many things new in AH2......does everything have to be new? Cant we please have our sucurity blanket while going out into the new world?

Im very impressed MugZ. I agree 110% with everything you've just said.

I have basicly quite the game. I haven't played for almost 3 weeks now. I logged in for about 5 minutes the other day and hated every second I was on line. There are just too many of these 'new' things that anoy the crap out of me its just not worth playing. I absolutely HATE the new icons. Why HiTech went with this is beyond me. It is the worst change I have seen this game under go. I really dont care what the rest of you think, I HATE them. If you want realism, go play MS flight sim. This was a GREAT game to play. I enjoyed it for 2 years. I played non stop, with no thoughts of ever leaving. I was very excited to get into AH2 and enjoy the new FM among many other things. It was a huge let down to see some of the things I loved so much about the game simply be thrown away.

To sum up my feelings of this whole 'new change' crap I have one word for you.

BLAH.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Wotan
Folks knew who I was after all I was CM ffor the kurland event...

Folks knew who I posted under for the last 2 years until I reverted back to my wotan nic on the bbs.

If he could read he would understand just what this means:



Just like everything else he posts about he pretends to know whats what but just makes it up as he goes.

17 betas? Those are tours not betas ya dolt...

I understand that you felt a need to change your name. Then change it around again. No...they were the betas that ran during you 2 months absence of replying to the BBS. If you could do a search as i have ...you would figure this out. nuff said. Who are you?Anyone hear anything?

Originally posted by Hajo
Mugzee.....if you were here for the Beta of AHI you would realize this is far from the finished product.

HT,Pyro and the group were online every day, flying and fielding requests and questions.

Be patient.....it will get the Maestros Brush, and be very very good.

Hard to please everyone.



And most of us that are responding forgot about the MA as soon as the Beta Version became a viable flight sim.  I would guess we started flyng the Beta version full time at least a month before the demise of AHI, and didn't return to the MA at that time.

During that month, because we spent so much time in the Beta arena our whines and suggestions were made known

Thus...you now have AHII....our input was heard, I'm sure yours will be heard also!

Yes Hajo..i was one of the guys that abandoned AH1 for a month before AH2 release...eccept for one factor.. I had to be present to run squad ops in AH1 on wed and sat. nights.

You are speaking as if i was not playing beta before AH2 was released. I urged my squad to spend as much time in beta as possible at least a month before it was released. I seen it was near release with beta 37. And even commented to my squad that i had a hunch it was near.

[bj229r]

seems like i heard somewhere that one reason for not displaying exact ranges ad-nauseum was server resources--to that end, I could understand the 1K+ thing. (and if ya dont have a 21" monitor, difficult to tell size increments in planes)...under 1k, toss-up

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by bj229r
seems like i heard somewhere that one reason for not displaying exact ranges ad-nauseum was server resources--to that end, I could understand the 1K+ thing. (and if ya dont have a 21" monitor, difficult to tell size increments in planes)...under 1k, toss-up

Must have been a rumor.
As for System resource tax.. CAN the SKINS. They are creating an unstable environment. Or at least make them permanent files on our HDD.

[AWCHKRS]

Originally posted by Steve
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!

WRONG

   

no whines to be heard untill AH1 was dead,

   Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap*

WAY-WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 CHECKERS

[airbumba]

...and here I was thinking that +/- thread was about changing your prop ptich (coarse/fine) to save fuel to deal with new fuel consumption rates.

Sorry...didn't even know there was a little game thingy that told people whether a plane was closing or leaving.  And here I was feeling spoiled when I had a fps of 20 or more.


Loved Kurland , BTW Wotan. Maybe that could serve as a benchmark. The firat two frames were spent 'learnig' the setup, the last two were adapting.

Maybe a lesson to be learned.


















ln

[Wotan]

wtf are you talking about?

You still don’t get it?

I have never been "absent". You see that guy Batz, well Batz = Wotan.

While you been kinda outa the picture for 17 betas.

Betas? As I said nub what betas?

The AH1 "betas" you were mentioning were "tours". I flew in the AH1 beta and had paid account since tour 3. 1st as Wotan, then I went out of state for a job, cancelled the Wotan account then re subbed as Batz. I only intended to keep Batz for an event I was Co'ing.

 To keep down confusion with my players I started a "Batz" bbs account so they knew who they were talking with during the event. Well 2 events later I stopped playing (after the Okinawa event). I came back for AH2 and to CM the Kurland event which Brady and I wrote.

That nik was Helvik. I asked Skuzzy to switch my nic back to wotan but had to wait until the data base update.

I flew everyday in the AH2 beta and never saw any of the icon whiners or even you for that matter.

Search Batz on this bbs. As I said I have more posts in this forum then you have all together.

So the only folks absent from the betas were you and the icon whiners. You flew the beta for a month? I never saw ya. Anyway the icons changed way back before that.

Well the icons have been that way since beta 6 which was released last December, some 7 months ago. 2 weeks into the change over and folks who havent taken the time to adjust complain how its to hard for them.

Pyro posted this read me on 12-09-2003

Beta 6
Beta 6 is now available exclusively through the auto-updater for testing purposes. If you do not have Beta 5 installed on your system, you will need to download and install that first. See the previous news post for a download link. Once you have Beta 5 installed, just log into the server and the autoupdater will prompt you for the new version.

Aces High II Version 1.996 Open Beta
=======================================

Fixed a collision bug in the Spitfire that was making take-offs almost impossible. Fixed
a similar bug on the C-47.

Made a change to tailwheel modeling to give slightly more directional stability when taxiing.

Stiffened the Spit IX landing gear.

Gunsight Zoom has been re-enabled.

Radar and sector counters now work online.

When first running after installation, AH2 will automatically disable certain video options
on lower end video cards.

The clipboard is no longer obscured by objects such as cockpit rails.

F1 no longer turns mouse-pan back on if mouse-pan has been disabled.

Fixed some problems with clipboard lighting and shading.

Fixed a bug that caused certain curves in the road not to display.

Your plane icon on the clipboard map no longer displays off the clipboard.

Props now display correctly. Plane props will stop and display damage when you hit the ground.(this
has not been completed on all planes)

Changed auto-takeoff mode to be more responsive.

Enabled anti-aircraft guns.

Made a slight color change to tracers.

Icons now display below the plane.
 

[DipStick]

Think the icons are okay, liked the old ones better but it's no biggie.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Wotan
wtf are you talking about?

You still don’t get it?

I have never been "absent". You see that guy Batz, well Batz = Wotan.



Betas? As I said nub what betas?

The AH1 "betas" you were mentioning were "tours". I flew in the AH1 beta and had paid account since tour 3. 1st as Wotan, then I went out of state for a job, cancelled the Wotan account then re subbed as Batz. I only intended to keep Batz for an event I was Co'ing.

 To keep down confusion with my players I started a "Batz" bbs account so they knew who they were talking with during the event. Well 2 events later I stopped playing (after the Okinawa event). I came back for AH2 and to CM the Kurland event which Brady and I wrote.

That nik was Helvik. I asked Skuzzy to switch my nic back to wotan but had to wait until the data base update.

I flew everyday in the AH2 beta and never saw any of the icon whiners or even you for that matter.

Search Batz on this bbs. As I said I have more posts in this forum then you have all together.

So the only folks absent from the betas were you and the icon whiners. You flew the beta for a month? I never saw ya. Anyway the icons changed way back before that.

Well the icons have been that way since beta 6 which was released last December, some 7 months ago. 2 weeks into the change over and folks who havent taken the time to adjust complain how its to hard for them.

Pyro posted this read me on 12-09-2003

 Of course i get it. Apparently you don’t.
 I know Batz=Wotan.....but the general populous don’t know that. Switching names is lame IMO. Be yourself everywhere all the time. What’s the point of changing names? Don’t give me the Account cancellation explanation either. I did this and was able to come back as the same name. trade off was that i lost ALL perks. No big deal
 Now your explaining that you are really you and Batz is actually you. Now your experiencing an identity crisis. OK
Big deal......Who are you? Apparently you don’t think enough of yourself to keep the same name so the community doesn’t lose track of you. Why should the community care who you are?
PS. As far as the icons being changed in beta 6...I for one thought it would come full circle and get changed farther down the road. So i didnt bother complaining about it at that time. Many things have played out as i had hoped during the development. The Icons wasnt one of them. Yes i can live with the current Icon. Just dont understand why after changing the icon 3 times, they didnt just implement to old icon. Actually i think i do understand why. see above

[Wotan]

You only have 8 hours this tour in AH (that includes 1 and 2). You had 73 last tour.

What is lame is you plasying yourself off as some one who even played AH2.

You were terrible in AH1 and I see how AH2 must intimidate you.

You maybe all wrapped up in your game nik and the "Co" of some 32 man horde but it doesnt mean anything to me.

 Whether my nic is Wotan, Batz or Helvik is irrelevent. I may change it another 50 times if I choose.

MugZ sucked arse in AH1 and will suck arse in AH2 regardles of the icons. So yeah keep that nik. Folks may get you confused with the others that suck arse as well.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by Wotan
You only have 8 hours this tour in AH (that includes 1 and 2). You had 73 last tour.

What is lame is you plasying yourself off as some one who even played AH2.

You were terrible in AH1 and I see how AH2 must intimidate you.

You maybe all wrapped up in your game nik and the "Co" of some 32 man horde but it doesnt mean anything to me.

 Whether my nic is Wotan, Batz or Helvik is irrelevent. I may change it another 50 times if I choose.

MugZ sucked arse in AH1 and will suck arse in AH2 regardles of the icons. So yeah keep that nik. Folks may get you confused with the others that suck arse as well.

Now you are attacking my ability to play the game?
Calling me a noob?
And becoming inflamatory?
As for being intimidated by AH1 or AH2 i think the number of deaths i suffer will show that while i suck.. I am far from intimidated.
I have played it as much as i could with running the squad and of course there is the issue of screen freezes and stutters that keept my hours low in AH2. As for this tour... If the game wont run for me..i can hardly log the hours sir. But i have been watching the BBS constantly for 3 months. There has been plenty of comment on the Icon system. You claim that the community didnt want the old icon system. I have seen plenty of guys say they would rather have to old icon system. including nearly every member of our squadron which at present is like 32 members. Was 36 several days back. Thats quite a few in my book? Oh yes...dont forget the guys that were talking about it on range channel constantly.
Because they express their dislike now and not 4 months ago....this means their opinion doesnt count?

Quoted of Wotan
The "community" didn't ask for the same icons in AH1, a few complainers did. The "community" didn't ask for the +/- thingy, a few complainers did. The folks doing most of the complaining were no where to be found in the earlier betas and made no effort at all until it was clear AH1 was over.

AH2 was in its "beta" phase for quite a while. Most folks that spent considerable time in those betas we see expressing themselves in support of the AH2 icons (pre +/- thingy of course).


What you get now are a good number of folks coming and in support of the orig AH2 icons. More then ever complained in the 1st place.
Let me get this right. Maybe 7 to 10 percent of the AH community played the betas for most of there duration. And your implying that this percentile is representitive of the whole community? I highly doubt this to be true. I hear guys complain constantly about many things of the new game. Most dont frequent the BBS. Some dont even know its here. Some dont want to be Beat down everytime the post a thread. Either way....the BBS in NO WAY SPEAKS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

As i remember there are countless comments that the game is a work in progress. This would indicate changes to come. They may or may not change the icons. But one things for certian. All of us are paying customers and we will continue to express or likes and dislikes to try and get the final product the way "WE" want it. Not just yous guys who were flying beta way back in the stone age.
Out
Oh yeah one other thing. Your avator cant even make up it's mind who or what it is either. kinda telling isnt it?

[Wotan]

Yes you are nub; yes you aren’t very good at AH (1 or 2). Yes you run a squad of building battlers.

Yes I said you are intimidated by AH2 after all you whine plenty (even ht had to call you on it) and yes you play very little.

Your squad represents far fewer the 7 to 10% so their complaints are not an indication of the "community" as you claim at the top of this thread. Of those who flew the betas regularly they seem to like the original AH2 icons.

You can search the forum and count up the "for" and "against" if you like.

Sure this is a game in progress but it wont get very far if they keep going back to address the whines of those who haven’t even played the game enough to make an honest assessment.

Your squad are building battlers so what do they care about icons? Red run away, green follow like sheep...

If my avatar is bugging you pretend it’s a fuel bunker and slam yourself into it. It may take a few "sorties" to knock it down so you might want to get started...

FYI

Take a few minutes to learn the vB code, it makes reading the replies easier then the jumbled mess you post.