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« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2004, 10:36:37 PM »
Very eloquent Grun. Hard to argue with success.

Regarding Vietnam, we lost that one only because of internal division, much like we are experiencing now.

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« Reply #91 on: June 29, 2004, 10:40:47 PM »
Probably just 'cuz the Green Party is in power up north.
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« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2004, 10:49:17 PM »
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to say the Bush's have a close personal tie with osam bin laden and the bin ladens is no different than saying the kennedys were tied with mob.

didnt Osama have like 20 brothers or somthing....arent they like the 3rd richest family in saudi arabia.  Would it not be a true statement to say that its not all that shocking to see that the Bush family, who is heavily involved in the oil business would have ties with rich saudi oil people.



no question about that...and i believe that m moore was only establisihing the business association with the bush & bin laden families (going back to the 70's?) and i think osama is one of 47 kids



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Second.....It wasnt Bush that allowed the Bin Ladens and other sauds to fly out sept 13th it was Dick Clarck himself......and after they were interviewed by the FBI.



incorrect.... papers allowing those several flights of saudi's was directly signed by GW himself and no, none of them were interviewed by fbi (that's why m moore said at that time, "Imagine if clinton had given safe passage out of the courtry for the mcveigh family after the oklahoma bombing, without anyone speaking to the mcveigh's?")



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Third.....those minutes were Bush was reading to the kids was not when he was informed our nation was under attack... most people at that point thaught it was an aviation accitdent.  It wasnt until the second plane hit that it really made sense.





he was told of the first plane BEFORE he went into the classroom...when he was advised in front of the kids (when the minutes tick by) is the news of the second plane having struck tower #2




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The whole intro w/ the florida election centering around the all eveil fox news and the court stealing the election from Gore.  No need to mention the FACT that every recount after the election showed bush the winner.




you are probably correct...but m moore's point was all the residents of florida whos vote was not counted for a variety of reasons...if memory serves 16,000 votes discarded in one area alone...(that's when moore showed all the residents who were affected by this addressing the house, all having written and signed letters and submitted letters stating the 'errors' and yet the votes were not counted and not one of those thousands of people could find one senator to provide a single signature)




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African American voters refused thier right.....If this is true why could they not get ONE senator to sign their petition?????? Dem. or Repub.




no idea man...




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The Iraq war.....I can show you just select images and posters of peacfull war protesters too and show you just how "peacfull" they are.  Just as he did w/ US servicemen talking about killing and war then switching to dead civilians.




no need to explain about 'peace marches'...ive seen many that were anything but peaceful.  my worst memory of a peace march going bad is kent state




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C'MON  this was entertaining.....but truthfull and daming...not one bit.
 



i agree that this movie was entertaining

thruthful?....truth has many faces; this is one

damning?....based only upon my 'reaction' and that of the audience today, i would have to disagree.




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and comparing Moore to limbaugh is not all that far off the mark.  They are both entertaining.  They are both Highly slanted in thier veiws.  and they are not allways accurate OR they both can spin very well.





i enjoy listening to limbaugh...i can see why a comparison would be made. the accuracy of f9/11 is going to come under intense scrutiny. he has ruffled alot of feathers with this movie and I suspect if there is any misrepresentation of information that he will be held accountable in a court of law.

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« Reply #93 on: June 29, 2004, 11:01:32 PM »
Grun, would you care to explain why there is so much "light" in the middle of the freaking ocean?

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« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2004, 11:04:38 PM »
Dunno if Grun got that pic here but it is here. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm

A bit of trivia, I used to work with the DMSP guys that may have taken that pic.
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« Reply #95 on: June 29, 2004, 11:06:33 PM »
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Grun, would you care to explain why there is so much "light" in the middle of the freaking ocean?


Amazingly I think they are fishing fleets, no kidding.

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« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2004, 11:06:39 PM »
is it still in theaters?
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« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2004, 11:08:35 PM »
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That is the first time I have heard that.  Do you have a credible source?


i hope you find all the answers to questions you have...there appears to be abundant references for 'proof of statement' through out this long detailed chronology.

if i can help agian...please don't hesitate to ask:)

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« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2004, 11:27:48 PM »
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incorrect.... papers allowing those several flights of saudi's was directly signed by GW himself and no, none of them were interviewed by fbi (that's why m moore said at that time, "Imagine if clinton had given safe passage out of the courtry for the mcveigh family after the oklahoma bombing, without anyone speaking to the mcveigh's?")





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Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush’s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
   
“I take responsibility for it. I don’t think it was a mistake, and I’d do it again.”..."responsibility for the Saudis' departure didn't get any higher than me."

"On 9-11, 9-12 and 9-13, many things didn't get any higher than me," he said. "I decided it in consultation with the FBI."
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« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2004, 11:37:51 PM »
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i hope you find all the answers to questions you have...there appears to be abundant references for 'proof of statement' through out this long detailed chronology.

if i can help agian...please don't hesitate to ask:)

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Good post way to keep the partisionship out of it

What I was saying about the black voters was in the begining of the movie when Al Gore had to certify the election results.  Moore only showed black congressmen protesting the results but they needed a senators signature to back up their claims.  NO SENATORS SIGNED.....BLACK WHITE REPUB OR DEM.....

that tells me if there is somthing to the story the blame should go on senators...not bush

as far as the saudi flights

http://www.hillnews.com/news/052604/clarke.aspx
http://www.neoflux.com/archive/data/2004/0601-192541.shtml
http://econ4dean.typepad.com/lerxst/2004/06/hitchens_overst.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38669
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200406%5CPOL20040601a.html
http://www.saudiembassy.net/2004News/Statements/StateDetail.asp?cIndex=403
not sure of the crediblity here but oh well


goin to bed....again....entertainment ....not real news

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I also hated how he portrayed the military.  I'd feel a little less about it if I actually saw HIM doing the interviews in Iraq.

Also the recruiters and the poor kids....sorry but recruiters have a job, but they also have guidlines to that job....there are many safeguards to make sure a recruit is getting what was promised nowadays.

If a kid joins the army to go to college not expecting to go to combat he is a dumbarse.....it does not matter if you do not support said conflict......woa is me I joined the military cause i'm poor and now I'm deployed.....you take the good w/ the bad.
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« Reply #100 on: June 29, 2004, 11:49:47 PM »
xrtoronto

Maybe you shouldn't get your information from propaganda films...

OK?

Seriously,  are you aware that you are quoting a highly slanted and biased piece of creative art as fact?
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« Reply #101 on: June 30, 2004, 12:12:17 PM »
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Several years ago I asked some South Korean students about why they protested against America during the massive street fighting in the 80s.  The students said that they were upset America had supported the South Korean dictatorships and wasn't interested in democracy.  Of course, with our current diplomatic disaster of an administration, they really dislike us now:

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=2300

Personally, I think the South Koreans should have an "America Day" where they send us flat screen monitors and give thanks that they are not living in that North Korean hellhole.

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« Reply #102 on: June 30, 2004, 12:22:52 PM »
Grun, that pic needs a "Pwn3d!" caption.

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« Reply #103 on: June 30, 2004, 12:31:59 PM »
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F911 facts


Actually the ONLY Embassy with Secret Service protection is the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington, not all.  

Why do all of you get so wound up over a stupid documentary?  Is it really worth the carpal tunnel exposure to beat your fingers on a keyboard?!  Michael Moore HAS the RIGHT to show this, so beat up on the First Amendment instead.   I have yet to see it, nor will I, it comes down to choice.  

I still fail to understand why people clash on politics?  The politicans sure love it though, you fight, ignore the money siphoning and thank them while you piss and moan about higher taxes that were snuck in on a bill that you helped pass.  

Democrats cry that the last election was "stolen" by Bush and the "state of Florida".   WRONG, want the proof?  Gore just had to win HIS HOMESTATE and the dolt would have been in office.  

<> Rep's and Dems as a whole.  ALL of em are crooks.

Oh yeah, to head off all of you, I voted for the Dubya (the rest were independants).  Michigan gun grabbers can kiss the wide part of my arse.   This is it, my last post on this thread.

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« Reply #104 on: June 30, 2004, 12:53:56 PM »
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Personally, I think the South Koreans should have an "America Day" where they send us flat screen monitors and give thanks that they are not living in that North Korean hellhole.


Good. :)