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Offline Masherbrum

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« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2004, 10:05:29 AM »
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Does he need help?

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=106999&referrerid=7566

  And this from someone who typed no less than 17 words ago that he was merely defending wax.The nice guy he met at last years con.   :confused:
I was called a Liar.. I have a right to defend myself.


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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Dropping 3 barracks was always easy after a little practice. I used to drop 2 barracks on the feild in one dive.. .. climb out slightly outa ack range, and dive in and take out the town barracks. All in one pass from the same direction. Nothing has changed here.
What has changed is the effect that porking has had on the NME.
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Will it change? Who knows. Should it? If a pole was taken and used of the entire player base... Youd see the 75% porkage back faster than you could say..... Kweassa typing a novel.  But we will never know will we? HT doesnt operate on Poles.
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I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
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LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already this is a game to have fun if your not having fun maybe this games not for you

take care

I missed something here, as did the rest of us. Where were called a liar, Mr. "I have a right ot defend myself"?  

You admitted to this before his post.  Nut up and shut up.

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« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2004, 10:14:41 AM »
I still believe fuel porkage should effect big fuel users long before it effects low fuel users............in the main that means  multi engined bombers ................ % is wrong IMO.

the 75% lower limit was added to correct a poor choice of FBM = 2 (just my opinion) and had the added "benefit" of anti pork.

However porking is still alive and well its just now directed at hangers...............

Successfull fuel porking limited range............

Successfull hanger porking removes the choice of a ride................

To me porking field fuel should always have been a very temporary thing...........fuel is really a strat feature where by the supply is the critical aspect not the field store.

Hangers, as some one said above, limit a fields ability to service air craft............. presently its an on/off switch......... a reducing ac airborne limit would be more realistic but (i think) unpopular.

I dont see the need for bomber, fighter & vehicle hangers any more.......... they should be just  hangers............porking ordinance would than have  the same effect as killing  eg bomber hangers.

Ordinance could then be "heavy" (bombs), medium (rockets and shells) and light (cannon and MG rounds).......there would be differing multiple stores for each which would be heavily armoured and, like fuel, resupply would be quite rapid given strat support.

The GV is now playing an ever increasing role in field defence and attack...........  this is only limited where maps  restrict spawning to limit GV activity to the field alone (H only).

It because a Gv can leap frog enemy lines to points adjacant to enemy facilities......

I think the ability for GV's to spawn "thru" the front line should be examined...........       A sort of road between each field along which GV's spawn  to a  half way point or a point on that road where other freindly GV's have reached (but never past an enemy GV)........ might produce a sort of front line effect that would limit the GV's ability to spawn and pork and create a GV battle front which ground attacking AC can directly interplay with.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2004, 10:28:09 AM by Tilt »
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« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2004, 11:01:24 AM »
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
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I missed something here, as did the rest of us. Where were called a liar, Mr. "I have a right ot defend myself"?  

You admitted to this before his post.  Nut up and shut up.

Karaya


OK i will have to hold your hand and take a stroll down memory lane i guess. Try to pay attention.
BelowIs my first reply to this thread. I simply stated my experiences as heard on Country Channel in the MA. It is my opinion that the setting has degraded Gameplay.
NO personal attacks.

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Country channel is filled with discussion about this subject every day now. It seems to be playing out as a bad GamePlay decission in the eyes of the majority in the MA.


Kweassa then replies
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Stopping the horde is easier than ever.

 Drop the barracks - One at small base, two at medium and large fields. One P-51D with full armament can fly around to pork about 5 fields in a hop. With heavy enemy resistence it can still bust about two.

 Gather a couple of dedicated guys with good sense and mission planning, and you can knock the barracks of entire enemy front in about 1 hour.

 Gather some more guys, and you can detroop the frontline, and 2nd line fields also, making the enemies have to fly goons at least more than 75 miles to capture a base - with even less casualties suffered than in AH1.


I answer his findings/opinion, this way.
And explained that I pork when necessary. “I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. Again NO personal attacks and a nice discussion on the topic.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Dropping 3 barracks was always easy after a little practice. I used to drop 2 barracks on the feild in one dive.. .. climb out slightly outa ack range, and dive in and take out the town barracks. All in one pass from the same direction. Nothing has changed here.
What has changed is the effect that porking has had on the NME.
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Will it change? Who knows. Should it? If a pole was taken and used of the entire player base... Youd see the 75% porkage back faster than you could say..... Kweassa typing a novel. :D But we will never know will we? HT doesnt operate on Poles.


Wax then decides to try and attack me on a personal basis,(I dont know why?) By implying that I had contradicted myself and that I am a liar.
The Implication occurrs here….. "Is it not a fact that"[/b]………….
You see? The grammar dictates his implication that I said one thing and then another.
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LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already this is a game to have fun if your not having fun maybe this games not for you:lol

take care

In conclusion. You asked "Where i was called a liar?"
Here.........I said "I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Wax said "LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already .
I hope this clears things up for ya.
I never denied that i use "Porking" as a strategy. In fact quite the oppisite is true. I admitidly stated that i support and use porking as a tactic in certain situations in my first reply to Kweassa's post. Therefore Wax didn’t need to imply that i lied about it.
So whats to "Nut Up" about Smart Guy?
« Last Edit: July 05, 2004, 11:39:03 AM by Mugzeee »

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« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2004, 12:04:18 PM »
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Now we have an HTC family tree started.. Arlo....prettythang Hole and now Wax.... prettythang Hole. Nice to meet yas Mr. Holes.


Heh .... man! I really left an impression on your bughole, bungholio. :D

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« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2004, 12:05:21 PM »
Porkypoo's

  Stop whining, put a mission together, AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY!!

  Bombers, Dive-Bombers, Escort and a Goon or two.  Whining because you can't single-handedly ruin the fuel everywhere all by your lonesome is getting old.
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« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2004, 12:09:05 PM »
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“I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times.


was :rofl
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« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2004, 12:18:20 PM »
How about this old military maxim:

"No organized military unit is ever outnumbered by a mob."

If large mob meets small mob, large mob wins. Sunday Night (EST)Rooks are a furballing loving mob -- I know, i've given up trying to get organized missions running. So, defeat them by getting 10 fighters to ingress together, not in 1s and 2s, and assign real wingmen who understand clearing and covering. Use breaks and extensions to pull the group away from the capped base. You will shred the mob's "cohesion" quickly, allowing your allies to start upping from said base. Rinse and repeat.
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« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2004, 12:30:40 PM »
Tilt, very reasoned and interesting post, especially your ideas about the increasingly important GV game. But here's a thought in general:

Introduction of new technology on the battlefield generally causes a predictable pattern of enemy adaptation. First, there's a shock phase, where new equipment (like the first tiger on Ostfront) causes great impact, and can induce panicked reactions. Spontaneous ad-libbing, for good or bad, is the first op force reaction. Later, as the implications of the technology become understood, intelligent adaptations are made, the shape of the battlefield changes, and a new equilibrium is established.

AH application -- we've got new rules, and we haven't yet figured out what they mean. Lets see what tactics the ever creative AH crowd come up with, and find out just what the new equilibrium turns out to be! Bombing harder because more fighters up? Well, I'm starting to see a trio of buffs with a single fighter escort, to distract/discourage interceptors -- something I rarely saw before. Who knows what's next?

Wholesale tweaking is certainly coming, but lets slow the pace till we see just what we've got. That way, instead of bouncing from one problem to another we can get real fixes that really work.
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« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2004, 12:31:05 PM »
I dont have any probs with the FBn rate of 2, and the Lagg 5 is becoming my preferred ride, I can get regular flight times of 30 to 40 mikes, and with a little luck, I can usally land my kills > >.  normally I load 100% fuel, climb out on WEP, and at 15k I pull out the E6B and check for the best cruse rate for my AC, drop the MP AND the RPM, and check my fuel consumption on the E6B again, in level flight at cruse I dont see a large drop in speed and my flight to the A.O. seems about the same as AHI.  Thttl up for combat, leave the E6B out on the Kneeboard so I can do a quick check by toggling the thing, and extend out when I hit bingo fuel.  I like having to manage the fuel, and find 20 to 35 mike sorties to be optimal.  Especally in the 1 to 2 sector base seperation enviroment.  Just my .25 worth

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« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2004, 12:37:17 PM »
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I must admit that ommiting the ability to pork the enemy fields is taking away the 'realistic' part of the game, while making gunnery harder adds to it.
 


Yes, porking fuel, restricting the number of planes on  fields,  etc. are 'realistic'.
Interesting that the lack of fuel or destroyed hangars on our fields frustrate us in game.  In real life we would pray to be out of fuel or ammo on our field. To seat in the officer bar and drink beer is much more better than take off and meet 'real' Furbar... Real war is very unpleasant thing.
So, what is the 'realism' you are talking about?

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« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2004, 12:53:27 PM »
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Heh .... man! I really left an impression on your bughole, bungholio. :D

ROFLOL!!!!

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Still IS. Just not in AH2
« Last Edit: July 05, 2004, 12:56:05 PM by Mugzeee »

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« Reply #71 on: July 05, 2004, 12:55:35 PM »
Mugz im not trying to start a fight here but, who exactly pissed in your post- toasty's? I havent seen you make one constructive or helpful post. It's always a complaint or whine. When someone try's to provide a solution you knock it. It doesn't matter what the problem is you always seem to be on the other side of the fence. Even Hitech mentioned this to you.
Crap now I gotta redo my cool sig.....crap!!! I cant remeber how to do it all !!!!!

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« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2004, 12:56:31 PM »
You guys realy take this thing to far.. a nice blunt with a piece of arnold should do the trick for most of ya :aok

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« Reply #73 on: July 05, 2004, 12:59:16 PM »
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You guys realy take this thing to far.. a nice blunt with a piece of arnold should do the trick for most of ya :aok


got the second one last night:D  Life is good
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« Reply #74 on: July 05, 2004, 01:46:35 PM »
lol