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« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2004, 09:36:28 AM »
Hello, I'm George Bush and I approve of this message.

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« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2004, 09:37:19 AM »
Laz, you don't have to invent the ideology to follow it.

Here is quick little test to learn if you are a NeoCon.

Surprisingly, I am not a liberal (sorry Republicans). I am a realist and fall into the same category as Dwight Eisenhower. You remember what a wimp he was, don't ya?
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« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2004, 09:44:36 AM »
what Crumpp said
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« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2004, 11:25:06 AM »
I am far from a Neo-Conservative (Liberal according to the "quiz")and they are both trash-can-candidates.  In all honesty, these are the best two candidates out of 270million people?  THAT is a sad fact.  

But, I own a handgun, and a 30-06.  Why must "gun-grabbing" be a factor?  I enjoy hunting to consume the meat of the animal God created.   Nothing "religous" about it, just what was told to me when I first hunted and will pass on to my son.  

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« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2004, 11:40:07 AM »
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Why must "gun-grabbing" be a factor?


Maybe because you're making out like it actually is one?

Huge domestic and foreign considerations, and I haven't heard much if anything about guns by either of the candidates. I dunno where it's coming from, but as usual the NRA is prolly spending millions in a "LOOK AT ME!" campaign of its own.

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« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2004, 11:40:40 AM »
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Laz, you don't have to invent the ideology to follow it.

Here is quick little test to learn if you are a NeoCon.

Surprisingly, I am not a liberal (sorry Republicans). I am a realist and fall into the same category as Dwight Eisenhower. You remember what a wimp he was, don't ya?


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« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2004, 11:48:04 AM »
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Laz, you don't have to invent the ideology to follow it.

Here is quick little test to learn if you are a NeoCon.

Surprisingly, I am not a liberal (sorry Republicans). I am a realist and fall into the same category as Dwight Eisenhower. You remember what a wimp he was, don't ya?


Whaddayaknow, same here:

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Realists…

-Are guided more by practical considerations than ideological vision

-Believe US power is crucial to successful diplomacy - and vice versa

-Don't want US policy options unduly limited by world opinion or ethical considerations

-Believe strong alliances are important to US interests

-Weigh the political costs of foreign action

-Believe foreign intervention must be dictated by compelling national interest

Historical realist: President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Modern realist: Secretary of State Colin Powell
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« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2004, 11:57:25 AM »
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Whaddayaknow, same here:


Modern realist: Secretary of State Colin Powell


And Powell says Bush is a lot like Reagan.

Bush is a realist, Kerry is an opportunist.

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« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2004, 01:40:41 PM »
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Maybe because you're making out like it actually is one?

Huge domestic and foreign considerations, and I haven't heard much if anything about guns by either of the candidates. I dunno where it's coming from, but as usual the NRA is prolly spending millions in a "LOOK AT ME!" campaign of its own.

ymmv


Negative, Democrats typically cringe at the word "Gun".   The "gun" issue almost always becomes a factor.  Actually, Kerry has already made some statements concerning this issue.

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« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2004, 01:50:01 PM »
Interesting, I am a realist too according to the test results.

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« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2004, 03:38:32 PM »
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Based on your answers, you are most likely a realist. Read below to learn more about each foreign policy perspective.


Hmmm... pretty much confirms my self-assessment.
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« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2004, 03:41:03 PM »
Coulda sworn you were an isolationist Toad. ;)

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« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2004, 06:15:23 PM »
You feel one can't both be realistic and isolationist at the same time?

For example, one can't make the realistic assessment that this is one screwed up world and prefer isolationism as a result?
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« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2004, 06:24:26 PM »
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You feel one can't both be realistic and isolationist at the same time?


Nope.

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For example, one can't make the realistic assessment that this is one screwed up world and prefer isolationism as a result?


Prefering isolationism as a result of this being a screwed up world bumps you up to a category I didn't see there. Idealist.

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« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2004, 08:01:16 PM »
Just a bit for the "Democrats want my guns" crowd:

Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994 banned the manufacture and import of a certain class of guns defined by Congress as "Assault Weapons." These firearms were categorized as such by certain identifying features that are military-like in appearance, but have no bearing on “efficiency,” or deadliness. The act also banned high capacity magazines that hold more than ten rounds.

A Federal ban on assault weapons was a top priority of the Clinton administration in early 1994, and it passed by a very narrow margin (216-214) in the House of Representatives.  President Clinton signed the bill on September 13, 1994 . Although the original legislation is scheduled to terminate in September 2004, Senate Democrats introduced a measure to continue the ban for an additional ten years – a measure that Bush promises to sign if it reaches his desk.

HATCH-CRAIG GUN CONTROL AMENDMENT (May 14, 1999) -
The amendment offered by Orrin Hatch (R–UT) and Larry Craig (R-ID) passed by a 48-47 vote.    

The Republican bill provided several restrictions on gun ownership.  It would require background checks for any private sale at a gun show. Additionally, it would assign a U.S. attorney to every district for the purpose of harassing gun owners.  

47 of 55 Republican Senators voted FOR this legislation.  

BANNING PRIVATE SALES OF FIREARMS AT GUN SHOWS

This amendment would ban private sales at gun shows unless the buyer first submits to a background registration check.  The amendment would also impose numerous restrictions on gun show promoters.  

On May 20, 1999 , this amendment passed.  Six Republicans sided with the Democrats in favoring this anti-gun legislation, resulting in a 50-50 tie vote and allowing Vice President Al Gore to cast the tie breaking vote.  

BACKGROUND REGISTRATION CHECKS (May 20, 1999)-

Senators Gordon Smith (R-OR) and James Jeffords (R-VT) introduced more restrictions on gun sales with this amendment.  It subjects pawnshop and repair shop transactions to the same registration and background check requirements as purchases from dealers.    

The amendment passed 79-21, with 34 of 55 Senate Republicans voting FOR the gun control legislation.

JUVENILE CRIME BILL (May 20, 1999) –

The Senate passed the anti-gun juvenile crime bill by a 73-25 vote.  Senate Bill 254 contained several gun control amendments in addition to the various provisions related to punishing juveniles who commit crimes.

31 of 55 Senate Republicans voted FOR the anti-gun bill.

OMNIBUS REPUBLICAN GUN CONTROL PACKAGE  

On June 18, 1999 , the House defeated the Hyde-McCollum “Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act” by a 280-147 vote.  This bill contained many anti-gun provisions, including trigger locks, a young adult gun ban, and lifetime gun ban for certain juveniles.  

137 House Republicans voted for the gun control package.

ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING GUN LAWS AND PROTECTION OF GUN OWNERS  

Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) offered a resolution that called for more aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws, tougher penalties for gun-related crimes and protection for the rights of law-abiding gun owners.  On May 17, 2000 , the non-binding vote passed 69-30.

52 of 55 Senate Republicans voted FOR more stringent enforcement of existing gun laws.


It's not just the Democrats that want your weapons.
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