Author Topic: Vets speak out about Kerry (Read 4417 times)

storch · « **Reply #75 on:** July 05, 2004, 08:12:44 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Oh the find were in the news here a few days ago. Why it isn't reported by your news sources? Perhaps because the news is shall we say ... less than "newsworthy" for your sources? I take it you prefer Republican slanted news sources over Democrat slanted ones, seeing how I have yet to find one US news source that isn't slanted one way or the other.

WMD FOUND:
Polish troops find
illegal warheads
By WALTER PINCUS
Los Angeles Times

Sixteen rocket warheads found last week in south-central Iraq by Polish troops did not contain deadly chemicals, a coalition spokesman said Friday, but U.S. and Polish officials agreed that insurgents loyal to former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and foreign terrorist fighters are trying to buy such old weapons or purchase the services of Iraqi scientists who know how to make them.

The Coalition Press Information Center in Baghdad, Iraq, said in a statement Friday that the 122-millimeter rocket rounds, which initially showed traces of sarin, "were all empty and tested negative for any type of chemicals." The statement came just hours after two senior Polish defense officials told reporters in Warsaw, based on preliminary reports, that the rocket rounds had contained deadly sarin nerve gas and actions by the Polish unit in Iraq had kept them from being purchased by militants fighting coalition forces.

Friday's coalition release also said that two other 122-millimeter rounds, found June 16 by the Poles with help from an Iraqi informer, had tested positive for small quantities of sarin but were "so deteriorated ... (as) to have limited to no impact if used by insurgents against coalition forces."

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=40187

While many News agencies here are slanted in favor of the left a few are truly unbiased.

I have never read an article from a euro source that was not completely leftist in my view.

It seems to me that europe favors dem Presidents and legisiatures in America because they favor europe at the expense of America.

More WMDs will eventually turn up. It's easy to bury stuff in sand.

Crumpp · « **Reply #76 on:** July 05, 2004, 08:38:55 AM »

Love the LA Times. They have a link on one of AQ websites. All hail the Peoples Republic of Berkeley!!

This is like the 3rd or 4th cache that has been found since the war started. Wonder what the chances are their are more? There is also some evidence Saddam hid portions of it in Syria.

Looks like his preservation techniques were not the best. Thank God, because the bad guys are activily looking for WMD to set off in the US.

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Just as 60 years ago in Europe and Asia, we are once again vying for the philosophical direction an entire region of the world will take
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Yes, Gscholz. If the Allies had lost WWII what Philosphical direction do you think Norway and the rest of Western Europe would have taken? Do you think Republican Democracy would be the prodominate form of Government in Europe with a capitalism based economy? Perhaps Facism with a State run economy? Now that the wall is down and the west has won the "Cold War" what do we see arising in Eastern Europe?

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It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

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The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour!”

Winston Churchill

Crumpp

Masherbrum · « **Reply #77 on:** July 05, 2004, 08:45:54 AM »

"Yes, Gscholz. If the Allies had lost WWII what Philosphical direction do you think Norway and the rest of Western Europe would have taken? Do you think Republican Democracy would be the prodominate form of Government in Europe with a capitalism based economy? Perhaps Facism with a State run economy? Now that the wall is down and the west has won the "Cold War" what do we see arising in Eastern Europe? "

Norway was already Nazi Occupied, Europe might have been the largest country in the world, with the largest shoreline as well. But, I do feel the majority of Canadian and European newspapers are leftist.

Karaya

Crumpp · « **Reply #78 on:** July 05, 2004, 08:52:51 AM »

Wasn't Norway Liberated? Or did we miss a few?

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #79 on:** July 05, 2004, 09:13:25 AM »

ALL Newspapers are "less than Newsworthy" by their very nature.

Most of the news they gather comes from a minimum of second hand information. Quite a bit of it from THIRD removed sources. It's almost impossible to be accurate under those circumstances. There would have to be an infinite number of reporters in infinite locations to get the complete story on everything that is printed.

As for biased, well some are more biased than others but they are almost all written by one person. Since perception becomes reality, whatever that writers perception will come out in the story. So no matter what, you are getting ONE man's viewpoint of an event printed as fact.

Good technique is to check multiple newspapers that get their info from different sources themselves. I recommend BBC, CNN, and Fox News Network. Be careful of "source sharing" news as it can seem to confirm from multiple sources an events occurrance. In fact the reporters all shared info in the Hotel Lounge.

There is nothing wrong with this and until a better system comes along it is the best the world has to get info the masses. Reporters are free to write whatever they want about an event as long as it is not slander. Slander is tough to prove so they have some wide margins. Just keep a wary eye out and don't believe everything you read just because it is print or a talking head is spouting it on the TV.

Crumpp

lazs2 · « **Reply #80 on:** July 05, 2004, 09:30:54 AM »

rpm... thank you for proving my point... the democrats are the guin grabbers... they pass laws to restrict and ban guns... they may get a few Republicans to side with em once in a while... sometimes it is because of the rider bills that are placed on em...

The republicans pass laws to restrict and punish criminals.. the two parties are very clear.. the democrats think guns are the problem and the republicans think criminals are.. the so called "assualt weapons ban" was a total democrat gun grab and can only pass again if 90% or more of the democrats vote on it..

Bush may or may not sign it.. he would be wrong too and can probly be persuaded not to... with kerry... it is a sure thing.

kerry id chumming it up with the brady bunch (formerly handgun control inc.) a very vitriholic and gun grabbing group whos signiture is lying about gun stats (10 kids killed every hour by guns was theirs).

kerry will rubber stamp every gun grabbing anti rights bill that comes to him. And a lot will if he get's in. The gun grabbers are in a funk now cause they know they need a democrat in the white house before they spend all the time an effort to jam another nasty gun grabbing bill down our throats.

and... according to that test... we are all "realists".

neocon would seem to describe someone who was formerly a wussy liberal but then woke up. So why use "neocon"? you think it sounds bad. To conservatives it is nothing. Only a liberal would find it an offensive term.

and rpm... listening to you on this board... you are indeed a total liberal... maybe even a woman.

lazs

lazs

Masherbrum · « **Reply #81 on:** July 05, 2004, 09:54:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
Wasn't Norway Liberated? Or did we miss a few?

Crumpp

I was answering the "had the Allies lost WWII". Wake up now.

Karaya

Crumpp · « **Reply #82 on:** July 05, 2004, 10:10:41 AM »

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I was answering the "had the Allies lost WWII". Wake up now.

LOL,

Sorry haven't had my morning coffee yet!

I getting cabin fever too. Been at home for 5 days straight. My wife is down from surgery (routine stuff) and I am watching my 2 year old daughter. Got the TV running "Baby Einstien" trying to make up for her poor genetics. All my side of the Family. Leaves me to sit at the computer and prowl the BB. I feel like Arlo.

Crumpp

Masherbrum · « **Reply #83 on:** July 05, 2004, 11:12:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
LOL,

Sorry haven't had my morning coffee yet!

I getting cabin fever too. Been at home for 5 days straight. My wife is down from surgery (routine stuff) and I am watching my 2 year old daughter. Got the TV running "Baby Einstien" trying to make up for her poor genetics. All my side of the Family. Leaves me to sit at the computer and prowl the BB. I feel like Arlo.

Crumpp

Hope everything's good with the wife. The last month has been a roller coaster. In a nut shell: My wife has two Uncles, the two and their wives were camping in St.Louis. One uncle (from Lenexa, Ks.) had a Brain aneuyrism(sp). He has since passed away after being in a drug induced coma for 10 days, was brain dead. In a cruel irony, the other Uncle who brought him to the hospital, had a heart attack 2 days later. He is doing good in Evansville, In. He has a stent (?) in his heart.

Crumpp, I was kidding with you on the last post bro, I'm a smart prettythang to be funny, not to be a d&*k.

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Karaya

Crumpp · « **Reply #84 on:** July 05, 2004, 11:31:27 PM »

No offense taken, bro!

My heart goes out to your family on the loss of your Uncle and the others Heart Attack. We will keep your family in our prayers!

~~Crumpp~~

Masherbrum · « **Reply #85 on:** July 06, 2004, 12:09:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
No offense taken, bro!

My heart goes out to your family on the loss of your Uncle and the others Heart Attack. We will keep your family in our prayers!

~~Crumpp~~

Thank you sir.

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Karaya

crowMAW · « **Reply #86 on:** July 06, 2004, 06:58:04 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
And Powell says Bush is a lot like Reagan.

Did he mean the Reagan of the '80s or the Reagan of the '90s? I'd agree that Bush is a lot like the Reagan of the '90s...a brain damaged incoherently babbling idiot.

Shuckins · « **Reply #87 on:** July 06, 2004, 11:49:21 AM »

One can find a lot of "incoherence" right here on these bbs.

Crumpp · « **Reply #88 on:** July 06, 2004, 06:53:09 PM »

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What are the chances that more "caches" of useless 1980s era scrap like these rockets turns up? Pretty good I'd say. Their significance? None, I'd say.

When do you think those "80's" Rockets were buried? I think the very early "90's" when Saddam signed the Treaty ending Desert Storm and agreeing to disarmament. Remember the YEARS of stalling the Inspectors? He had Opportunity, Time, and Motive to hide his WMD.

Incidentally I was shooting M72A2 Light Anti-Tank Weapons, brand new, right out the crate last month. They were manufactured and packaged in 1968. While in the Middle East we found and shot two cases of Panzerfaust '43. They worked just fine. Your implication that "80's" is old does not hold up for the type of weapon system we are talking about. Whoever buried these did not do a good job constructing their Cache. Let's hope the other's were just as incompetent.

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From that POV it makes more sense, however Europe was not "Naziland" it was Nazi occupied, with a population that used to live in democracies, hated the Germans, and was friendly towards you and the Allies. You did not have to "vie" for the "philosophical direction" of the entire region, you just had to defeat the Nazis militarily and the rest attended to itself. In the Middle East the situation is completely different with people that are not used to democracy and that dislike you if not outright hate you.

You're absolutely right. That is what makes this conflict even more dangerous. The West cannot afford to lose it. It's going to be much tougher and take much longer to win. I hope Western Civilization is up to the Challenge.

Check this out. It's been circulating around work. He's got some things wrong for sure, but he has some key points right. He comes very close what we believe is the long-term objective of Osama Bin Laden.

http://braden.buzzword.com/2004/05/02

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #89 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:42:12 PM »

Gscholz,

I posted the article for your opinion not for argument.

I wasn't comparing conventional to chemical. I simply pointed out that the preservation techniques the builder of this cache were poor. All of them might not be. FYI Chemical weapons can last much longer than conventional. Not neccessarily the chemical inside but the weapon is designed to keep the chemical safe. Each has a shelf life. Some of the shelf lives are in the order of decades. It depends on the weapon and the manner in which it is stored.

I have helped dismantle cache's from the 1940's. Ones that were hidden in case of Soviet Occupation and left over from the Cold War. Weapons, ammunition, and equipment that 50 years later looks and function's as new. Given the time Saddam had to hide/store his WMD it would be imprudent to assume there are none and that they are all safe.

Crumpp

Author Topic: Vets speak out about Kerry (Read 4417 times)

storch