Originally posted by Crumpp
Straffo,
You attempting to argue with me over a US State Department Term which I have explained the meaning of for you.
It fits the definition for both the formation of Poland and Israel. The Link you posted was exactly were I got my information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland
if it's the state departement it can't be wrong ?
Please look at this affirmation :
Poland existed as a state during the XVI century
Is it right or wrong ?
You are speaking of Poland state as made by the allied at the end of WWII.
I'm speaking of Poland as the country of the Polish.
Let me repost my reply to Storch. Please reread it and try and understand it. Perception defines your reality. I am 100 percent sure that Polish perception, Palestinian perception, US perception, Israeli perception and French perception of world events may have some similarities they will also have their differences.
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certainly.
My question on French perception was a legitimate one and not a cheap swipe at France. I was trying to get a view from French perception. [/B]
Perception is the key word, French citizen though vichy was legitimate ,but for a stricly republican/legal/constitutional point of view it was not.
See : " Le nouveau gouvernement formé à Bordeaux le 16 juin 1940 l'avait bien été initialement selon les procédures normales ; mais il n'avait pas reçu la consécration parlementaire imposée par le droit positif. Il était donc illégitime parce que vicieusement formé."
(imprecise translation )
The governement formed in Bordeaux gave the full power to Pétain but even if this governement was created correctly it was
not legitimated by the National Assembly.
So it was build on vicious bases and this governement had
not the legal power to transfert to Pétain control of France.
-Petain was given the power to rewrite a new Constitution but this was never done.
-He instead put forth three Constitutional Acts that suspended the Constitution of the Third Republic of 1875.
-These Acts suspended Parliament, transferred all powers to himself
Sorry but a Republic without parlement ,constitution and not recognizing the human right as no value here.
Perhaps France feels that the Duchy of Krakow was an independant country while the Poles felt they were subjects of the Napoleanic Empire. [/B]
Beg to disagree here ,as a Pole we prefered Napoléon to the tzar ,just because the tzar was Russian !
But a Pole living in Poland will have perhaps a different perception than mine.
Therefore the date of Polish independance is different in French History books than it is in other accounts. Much stranger things have been printed in History Books.[/B]
