Author Topic: Nascar needs more minorities (Read 3149 times)

demaw1 · « **Reply #75 on:** July 08, 2004, 08:50:41 AM »

jamusta,I disagee that it is all bs,I cannot speak for anyone else but I would not be ashamed or afraid to say anything I have written on this thread to anyone face to face,it may help u to set a line and if someone crosses that line joking or serious to totally dis re gard it.I do not pass judgement on colour but character.Yes whites do crack jokes and start threads like this,as do blacks,browns,yellows,reds,blues,and pinks,We do need to discuss all subjects in the light of day, things that are hidden spawns those sheets you talk about and believe me every race has worn them at one time or another,

lazs2 · « **Reply #76 on:** July 08, 2004, 09:02:01 AM »

yep... I am pretty sure that I would say anything I have said to your face. Maybe even things I can't write here. but...

If I felt I couldn't... Why would I want to be around or part of, a group that I couldn't? If there are things I can't say to black people why would I take the chance? Wouldn't I just avoid them? Wouldn't I just do whatever to stay away from em and to exclude them? If they make me uncomfortable I might even tend to not care about their rights.

lazs

Wolf14 · « **Reply #77 on:** July 08, 2004, 10:07:48 AM »

Anybody want a good laugh? Here is what Mr. Burgis has to say on the matter of minorities in NASCAR......

Mr.Burgis

Sadly enough I know a few who would agree. I'm indifferent. Minorities are more than welcome to race if they have an intrest. If the intrest isnt there why make it a race issue?

Masherbrum · « **Reply #78 on:** July 08, 2004, 10:12:11 AM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
jamusta,I disagee that it is all bs,I cannot speak for anyone else but I would not be ashamed or afraid to say anything I have written on this thread to anyone face to face,it may help u to set a line and if someone crosses that line joking or serious to totally dis re gard it.I do not pass judgement on colour but character.Yes whites do crack jokes and start threads like this,as do blacks,browns,yellows,reds,blues,and pinks,We do need to discuss all subjects in the light of day, things that are hidden spawns those sheets you talk about and believe me every race has worn them at one time or another,

Amen.

Face to face or monitor to monitor, it doesn't matter to me.

Karaya

jamusta · « **Reply #79 on:** July 08, 2004, 12:38:26 PM »

Lazs,
We have had these discussions before. You have explained your point of view. Although I do not believe we will ever see eye to eye on racial equality, I have grown to respect your opinions and you. The rest of these so-called men do nothing for the discussion but add there stupid *** comments to fit in. Something I call "co-signing" someones opinions instead of making a valid point with their own. They feel the need to drop these stupid jokes. Be man enough to say how you feel. Lazs is the only one who has done this. When I said most need their *** whipped, no where did I say by black people, but someone needs to put their foot up your azzes.

If you can find a post started by a minority that bashes white people please post it. I will apologize for that persons ignorance. I have been here since 2001 and never seen one.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #80 on:** July 08, 2004, 12:42:35 PM »

Is NASCAR a popular sport in "black" culture?

To me living in California NASCAR pretty much means southern white male fans..

Lizking · « **Reply #81 on:** July 08, 2004, 12:57:50 PM »

There sure are a lot of southern white fans in places like Chicago, California and Delaware, to name a few.

Wolf14 · « **Reply #82 on:** July 08, 2004, 01:50:55 PM »

If an individual of any ethnic group can not run the numbers and keep control they will not be allowed to on the track. NASCAR Cup Cars are like the creme of the crop. Also if a driver cant sell himself he isnt going to go very far either.

I guess while we are at it lets get old JJ to tell the formula one guys and other racing sanctioning bodies to get more minorities into their races. I'm sure he'd have a captive audiance in Europe like he has here.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that anybody regardless of ethnicity can race. They just have to have the skill. If they dont have that they aint gonna get into NASCAR. We have a local dirt track thats growing in size and popularity in the area and they have a mixed bunch of drivers.

Thing that gets my hide is the folks that shake fingers cause something is white dominated. Yet when the whites complain we are out of line. I want to go on record as saying that I hate basketball. I also want to say that I think more whites should be allowed to play basketball. Heaven forbid I should utter such rubbish.

Hell they have theirs we have ours leave well enough alone. JJ needs to get a clue or be shot. He causes more problems than he fixes. Any minority is more than welcome to drive a race car. All they have to do is go to a driving school, start out small, and work their way up. If they have any skill they will succede and eventualy make it to the top ranks. Just going and putting a anybody in a NASCAR Cup car aint gonna happen when somebody says ****POOF**** make it so.

Reschke · « **Reply #83 on:** July 08, 2004, 01:51:58 PM »

Grun if you were to ever go to a Nascar race I think you would be surprised by the diversity in the crowd. I know I was and I grew up here in the South and have only been to one Nascar race (at Talladega). Also if you look at the officials that Nascar has working each race they have diversity within that group as well.

The sport is not as racially divided as people like Jesse Jackson and various other "African-American leaders" think it is. There are many middle age and young Americans of African descent (my term since I hate the term African-American but thats a different story) who can be seen daily wearing some clothing of one race team or another.

So to say that the sport is not appreciated unless you are white and from the South is completely wrong. A huge reason it has such a big fanbase here is because of the roots of the sport. Which go from small dirt tracks in little towns to the former moonshine runners who pushed old vehilcles to the limit and started racing on those little dirt tracks.

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #84 on:** July 08, 2004, 02:03:19 PM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
The majority of you come in to the BBS and say watermelon that you would not say in front of someones face. You hide behind your little monitors on the internet and bring up all this racial this racial that discussions.

What, exactly, separetes what you just said from 'chit that you would not say in front of someones face'.

I lived in Downtown LA for 2 years. I have no idea what sort of credability that gives me, but since you mentioned it, I guess I will too.

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Some of you need a brute lesson on reality and have your azzes kicked. For all who feel the need to reply with stupid remarks you are the biatches that I'm refering too.

I think the point of this thread, before it went to hell, was that discrimination works both ways. If you don't agree, maybe you're the one in need of a 'brute lesson on reality'.

Get over yourself

demaw1 · « **Reply #85 on:** July 08, 2004, 02:49:34 PM »

jamusta I have never looked at a post trying to figure out the persons color what a waste of time btw do u know the color of dmdbt I dont.I suspect some of the men in here you call [so called men] have proven themselves in battle or life. I have now read every thread in here some I strongly disagree with,but u are the only one that is hiding behind the screen. Who made you judge and jury to pronounce everyones comments as stupid comments,no [thank God] so far we as americans of all types and colors have have been able to[ whoop the butt ] as u say of people like you who have tried to take our freedom of speech away.When i read your first reply I was in agreement with your contention it was hard for you to have a decent talk with someone on this issue,now I know that it is your problem not others.So now I will ask you what i have asked others,your brothers and sisters and their children are being killed by the hundreds of thousands ,1 million will be displaced by the years end.Thousands are being sold into slavery today jamusta all this is being done by some arabs in the sudan and elsewhere,and here u make a big fuss about some white people [if they are all white]. telling some jokes.Last time I looked arabs are people of color.What are u going to do about it or have totally lost your moral compass.

jamusta · « **Reply #86 on:** July 08, 2004, 03:37:16 PM »

You know what Capt. Pork I was going to get all bent out of shape about your post. Instead I will try to explain what's going on.
1) I mentioned where I am from in reply to frenchys post.
2) There isn't a point to this thread. Just by the way it was started by the poster it was meant to start something. Thats when all the jokes started.
3) Point to where I said reverse discrimination is right or doesnt exits.
So when you get the chance...GET OVER YOURSELF

Demaw, none of my comments pertained to you. You actually had some valid points. I am sorry you feel you had to take up for the ignorance that is abundant in this BBS. I came out swinging on this post, I'll admit that. Like I said I'm tired of all the racial jokes. Now this is the part that has me a little annoyed. You speak of me trying to take away a persons free speech. What gets me is that I defend your right to free speech. I have been doing it for 14 years. I will continue to defend that right. It amazes me that the same people that I am defending, find it neccessary to crack jokes about my ethnic background. So I challenge you, if you are capable or havent done so in thepast, to sign your name on the line and and be willing to give your life to defend that right. As far as going to Sudan, shouldn't we be more concerned about Americas problems. I for one am tired of being the worlds police force.

jamusta · « **Reply #87 on:** July 08, 2004, 03:42:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Reschke
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The sport is not as racially divided as people like Jesse Jackson and various other "African-American leaders" think it is. There are many middle age and young Americans of African descent (my term since I hate the term African-American but thats a different story) who can be seen daily wearing some clothing of one race team or another.

So to say that the sport is not appreciated unless you are white and from the South is completely wrong. [/B]

I agree with this. I am not a huge fan of JJ to me his only worth is freeing hostages. I believe he starts to many problems. NASCAR has been the same way for years. Why does he feel he needs to change it now. Is there proof that NASCAR wont let black drivers in or is it just that not to many black drivers wish or have the sponsoring to pay for it?

demaw1 · « **Reply #88 on:** July 08, 2004, 04:38:25 PM »

jamusta thank you for your reply it was well thought out.To be free we must put up with ignorance to a point,remember i said to draw your line for your self when it is past, to totally dismiss it ignore it between that line is a blank space and the only thing left after the blank space is to pick up your weapon. I understand you are tired of the racial jokes except for frenchy who i dont know and not really sure what he meant but went beyond my line no matter what color he is ,everything else was to mild to care about.I know in your case it is more than just this thread that pushed u ,things have most likely piled up over time. As i said at one time or another every race has worn those white sheets,now it seems not all but a goodly number of arabs have put them on.I do so agree with you I am tired off being the worlds police force also I think we as a people are to soft to be.But look around ...since ww2... if not us who...if not now when..honest look around and tell me which country.We will aways be divided by race been same since adam.though we fight among our selves like brothers and yes sometimes degrade and kill each other we have always pulled together when the danger was from outside.Unfortunatly at least a third if not more of us has adopted european values and so far we are in a bloodless civil war for the hearts and minds of americans.I would consider it a honor to watch your 6 in battle but am a little old now.
respectfully demaw.

midnight Target · « **Reply #89 on:** July 08, 2004, 04:48:07 PM »

I find it difficult to swallow the notion that simple skill is all that is involved in NASCAR or any other racing league's ladder of success. It is pretty obvious that while NASCAR drivers are undoubtably skilled, they also seem to get some boost from having the correct last name.

Earnhardt
Waltrip
Petty
Andretti
Unser

I'm sure I've missed a few.

The point being that comparing NASCAR to basketball is just plain silly. No one ever got an NBA draft invitation simply due to his last name. Now please understand. I'm not saying these sons and brothers and uncles of drivers aren't skilled. I'm saying that they got the opportunity to become skilled due to their family background.