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Offline FUNKED1

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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2004, 02:00:05 PM »
A-12 was a CIA program that predated SR-71 or YF-12.  That is indeed an A-12 in McGroin's pic.  
YF-12 has a big radome and truncated "chines" and internal missiles.
The surviving YF-12 is on display at the USAF Museum and you can find A-12's at the SAC Museum and a few other places.  Unfortunately the A-12's are all painted black instead of the neato bare metal finish the CIA used for a while.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2004, 02:12:20 PM »
Avro Arrow..  What a waste to scrap all those planes... :(









































The USAF could have used them as supersonic target drones for missle testing....
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2004, 02:16:02 PM »
LMAO!  :D
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2004, 02:17:57 PM »
Seriously though why scarp these cool planes? They could be used for flight research or at least put up in a museum.. Same with TSR 2..
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2004, 02:22:18 PM »
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Seriously though why scarp these cool planes? They could be used for flight research or at least put up in a museum.. Same with TSR 2..


Agreed,
Their destruction seems to smack of a cover up.
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2004, 02:26:00 PM »
"Their destruction seems to smack of a cover up."


It was.  If Deif sold them to anyone (apparently other countries were begging for the planes, thier revolutionary Iraqois engin and the plans) he would have looked like an ******* for ending the project.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2004, 02:27:15 PM »
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Probably they were a threat to the vast US aircraft industry.


Hey, we gotta keep the colonies in their place.. ;)
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2004, 02:27:38 PM »
Yes it was all part of our great conspiracy for world domination MUAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2004, 02:33:55 PM »
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Who can figure out the Canadians.  The Arrow would have easily been the best interceptor in the world.


Unfortunately they had no way to pay for it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2004, 02:56:29 PM »
Sure they did.  There's a difference between being unable to pay for something and choosing not to pay for something.

For example, I am 'capable' of buying a Britney Spears CD, but I am unwilling to do so.  Canada was in the same position, except instead of Britnet, they had a chance to buy air superiority and decided it was safer to just let ol' USA do the design so they could be consumers (buying US planes) instead of creators.

The lure of ready-made solutions is strong, and apparently for that government back then, it was strong enough.
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2004, 03:08:54 PM »
License-built aircraft I believe, not outright purchase of airframes.  CF-18 for example.
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2004, 03:22:00 PM »
Nobody needs an interceptor.  It would be a huge waste of money.
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2004, 03:29:03 PM »
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The YF-12 never reached operational status. The Mig-25 is still the fastest fighter ever.


The mig-25 is an INTERCEPTOR desighned to take out bombers it is not a fighter due to its lack of maeuverablity. It's the fastest interceptor however like so many other interceptors both east and west its now obsolete even in the interceptor role. The Sovits did have good success using it as a reconnisense plateform since any aircraft launched to intercept it would easily be outrun by it's mach 3 capabilities
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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2004, 03:41:03 PM »
The missles fired at the EF-111s caused one of the F-15s to be shot down by a SAM.
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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2004, 03:41:59 PM »
The Cancellation of the Arrow was done for a number of reasons IMHO.

It was far ahead of its time, and would have had a major impact on the aircraft industries of the U.S. and G.B.

The US and GB were never going to buy or support it. It would have been economically dangerous to do so.

Bottom line was the $$.

The Canadian governmnet couldn't see spending the $$ to keep the program alive, given that the 2 largest potential customers wanted nothing to do with it.

A decision I whole heartedly disagree with, but nonetheless it is there.

As far as cutting them up, I think it was done partly to prevent the sale of any of them to the US or GB. Literally everything about the Arrow was destined to be destroyed, not in the interest of national security, rather more of an economic issue again. ( and to a large extent I am sure to stop someone else from copying the aircraft).

We should have kept the Arrow, and equipped the RCAF with it. It would have spoken for itself, and probably lead to many contracts for the purchase of the Aircraft.

Short sightedness on the part of Diefenbaker for sure.

The Rat Bastage.

Had we carried on with the Arrow, the Canadian aviation industry would look quite different today, I am sure.

Sad chapter in our history.

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