Avro Arrow

[WilldCrd]

I thought the F-15 could do mach 2.5?

I'll have to research that. Im going on info I got from the discovery wings channel {recorded it} The episode was all about the F-14 and the designers stated that the max "unclassified" speed was mach 2.4 and that it was the fastes "fighter" aircraft in the world {as in pure fighter}
Later in the show a a navy CAG was interveiwed about the newest varient and when asked what the max top speed said "officially its 2.4 mach the rest is classified".
I shall endevor to dig al little deeper


ya gotta love the gov. and their little secrets

[WilldCrd]

I found this info initially

F-14

F-15

on the f-14 specs note that the F-14/a engines produce 20,900 lbs of thrust. Later models produce 27,000lbs of thrust each.
lower on the spec sheet it states max speed as mach 1.88, Im guessing this wasnt revised after the engine upgrade.

The F-15 does indeed have a mach 2.5+ top speed at "sea level" I wonder how fast at highr alts
Its engines produce 25,00;bs of thrust each. Soo Im figuring they are fairly evenly matched on top speed when you figure in wheight of the A/C and thrust to wheight ratio,s..

Other fact sheets I have read give slightly different numbers  and some just dont jive {like having the same speed with lesser engines}
I suppose this is the "classified barrier"

[WilldCrd]

Originally posted by GScholz
The F-15 can not do M2.5 at SL. How old are you if you don't mind me asking?

It cant? The FACTS say that it can
    1,875 mph (Mach 2.5-plus at sea level).

ill be 36 in august

[Chairboy]

FAS.org is usually pretty reliable, and they cite the 2.5 mach at sea level as well, but I find that pretty hard to believe:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm

If true, that's some pretty amazing horse power and structure strength.  I think the speed is at alt, and the actual speed at sea level is 1.23, but that's according to a geocities page so, while it sounds plausible, meh....

[Tumor]

The Foxbat was a big nasty threat right up until we got ahold of one.... then it was a big nasty chuckle-producer.  Fast is nice but all ya gotta do is avoid it, or run'em out of gas, their range is limited at best.

[WilldCrd]

Hmm the Mcdonnald site {they build it}
say it does mach 2.5 at 45,000ft
F-15 builder site

I tend to beleive the guys that build it

Maximum speed: Plus 1,600 mph. (Mach 2.5) at 45,000 ft.

so the facts at FAS.org are wrong I stand corrected

[Chairboy]

They were a real threat, as evidenced in the first gulf war when they got the only modern air to air shootdown of a high technology F-18 when fielded by IRAQ.

For just a moment, consider that.  Iraq (the country voted least likely to succesfully shoot down a cessna) was able to kill an F-18 then escape pursuit with a single plane.

Imagine what a fleet of those fielded by Soviet pilots could have done, especially in the 1970s and early 1980s?

Sure, they were primitive, but a well thrown rock is primitive too, and it can kill ya just as dead.

Don't underestimate your enemy or their equipment.

[WilldCrd]

I take it you've become an aircraft enthusiast in recent years then. Buy a few books, read up on planes, aerodynamics and history ... then come here and shout about facts.

1.its been just a tad longer than recent years.
2. What makes you think I dont know enough to shout about facts? at least when I post sources they arent from some extreme vacation sight thats just trying to get people to pay 18,000 dollars for a ride in a mig-25.
I think its you that should read up on stuff more before YOU start shouting about facts

[Furball]

ladies, ladies.... no need to have handbags at 10 paces over it.  now kiss and make up.

[WilldCrd]

Originally posted by GScholz
Ok, then I take it you're just a tad slow then. So far you have been wrong in just about everything you've said, and you display complete ignorance in your knowledge of aerodynamics, and all your conclusions are wrong.

excuse me? I was merely quoting some sources so no I was not wrong their info was erronous. And as far as being wrong you've got no room to be pointing fingers. As far as calling me ignorant  I would suggest you go learn more about the topic at hand before you go calling someone else ignorant. Your  attempt at personally attacking me indicates a lack of knowledge on the topic and a level of frustration that compells you to respond with insults to cover up your lack of knowledge on this topic.
For some reason you feel the need to vindicate yourself when nobody was diminishing what you said...perhaps your compensating for some short comming. I dont know nor do I care  thats for you to figure out.

[WilldCrd]

ROFLMAO! how long did you sit there going thru all those posts to type up all that? Its obvious we dont agree on much.
Just for the record though I dont rely on tv for all my info.  I get alot of my info  out of my cereal boxes, especially the ones with the spider-man secret decoder ring.

[Coolridr]

Back on Topic oe maybe not..Too bad my service with all of it's infinite "wisdom" Is decommissioning the F-14 by 2007 for that "Super" Hornet P.O.S.

They should have just upgraded the Tomcat again.

The "Tomcat 2000" I feel would have been the wiser choice. Faster. More range, not near as noisy, and could carry more.

By the way they are cutting up F-14's for scrap out here at NAS Oceana. I just got the windscreen off one (would have got the canopy but was too large/heavy for my car) Anybody want some parts?

TOMCAT

[Furball]

I do!! i do!!

can you think of anything really cool and can be shipped to UK for not much money?

thanks

[Chairboy]

You should get an ejection handle and attach it to your office chair.

[Coolridr]

i'll see what I can do.