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midnight Target · « **Reply #30 on:** July 09, 2004, 11:24:12 AM »

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according to you. fortunately the military doesnt have to bow to every whim from the likes of you yet.

Oh please. Explain the "likes of Me"! Can't wait to hear it.

anonymous · « **Reply #31 on:** July 09, 2004, 11:47:37 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh please. Explain the "likes of Me"! Can't wait to hear it.

where does your insight on what is good and not good for the military come from?

midnight Target · « **Reply #32 on:** July 09, 2004, 11:52:30 AM »

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where does your insight on what is good and not good for the military come from?

It comes from the same place as your expertise on human behavior. Only mine is better.

lada · « **Reply #33 on:** July 09, 2004, 11:57:20 AM »

its easy... young people usualy enter army, coz they are not educated and they are easily brainwashed....
later on when they find someone to live with and they have family, they simply have no reasons to eat all that BS anymore.

But question is if is it ok, to use reservist during invasion, ocupation.

many people join army with ideas of defending their country, not to be blade of maniac who enjoy masacres.

anonymous · « **Reply #34 on:** July 09, 2004, 11:57:38 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
It comes from the same place as your expertise on human behavior. Only mine is better.

over my head. take of the beret, come out of the coffee shop, and answer the question my future secdef. tell me how the world really is with regards to this topic.

anonymous · « **Reply #35 on:** July 09, 2004, 11:58:20 AM »

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Originally posted by lada
its easy... young people usualy enter army, coz they are not educated and they are easily brainwashed....
later on when they find someone to live and have family, they simply have no reasons to eat all that BS anymore.

But question is if is it ok, to use reservist during invasion, ocupation.

many people join army with ideas of defending their country, not to be blade of maniac who enjoy masacres.

how old are you?

lada · « **Reply #36 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:02:34 PM »

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how old are you?

4 years after "military" services

anonymous · « **Reply #37 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:04:14 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
4 years after "military" services

what military? what massacres are you talking about?

midnight Target · « **Reply #38 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:08:14 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
over my head. take of the beret, come out of the coffee shop, and answer the question my future secdef. tell me how the world really is with regards to this topic.

Berets are Army aren't they?

Coffee shops are Navy.

The Military should promote expertise in the chosen fields of the various soldiers. It should encourage behavior that builds team spirit and comradery. It should not give a **** what kind of sex a man or woman enjoys.

Overt sexual acts or harrassment isn't OK for anyone. PERIOD.

lada · « **Reply #39 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:09:16 PM »

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what military? what massacres are you talking about?

gang bang at faculty of philosofy and HQ of UK

Shuckins · « **Reply #40 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:10:49 PM »

If they want to serve, let them serve, but if you cannot understand the potential for problems then you may be blinded by your idealism.

A pertinent question to ask at this point might be, "How many of them were discharged for openly hitting on their straight compatriots?" Do they not understand the true meaning of "Don't ask, don't tell?" It means "Keep your sexuality to yourself...your fellow soldiers and sailors are off limits."

anonymous · « **Reply #41 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:25:23 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Berets are Army aren't they?

Coffee shops are Navy.

The Military should promote expertise in the chosen fields of the various soldiers. It should encourage behavior that builds team spirit and comradery. It should not give a **** what kind of sex a man or woman enjoys.

Overt sexual acts or harrassment isn't OK for anyone. PERIOD.

unit cohesion is bottom line. dudes have been yanked from a combat unit because they didnt fit in to the point of affecting cohesion and they werent gay they were simply not meant to be there. camraderie doesnt come from encouraged behavior. it comes from shared experience and shared circumstance. some gay dude may be the nicest guy in the world and a crack shot. but if the jarheads in his squad can accept him as one of the boys the usmc should never be pressured to waste time teaching ten shooters to love gay people, especially when they should be working up for deployment to combat zone. military is not a social experiment. it has a serious job to do and will always exist outside popular social norms. every time popular social norms have been forced on military it has been a disaster. society may evolve to become more humane. basic reality of combat has not changed and will never change. if youre openly gay and want to be a paratrooper im sorry it wasnt meant to be. the same way that someone without the brainpower really wants to be a doctor and it isnt going to happen. the world is not fair. neither is the military. and military that worries more about being fair and nice than about getting the job done vs all comers is a military that will fail at its appointed tasks. read up on what happened to us military after second ww and what this cause in korea until military remembered what its job was.

Hortlund · « **Reply #42 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:27:50 PM »

At least 153 gay food service operators were forced out of the military between 1998 and 2003.

They do have statistics over everything dont they...

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:28:45 PM »

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At least 153 gay food service operators were forced out of the military between 1998 and 2003.

They do have statistics over everything dont they...

Good catch.

Martlet · « **Reply #44 on:** July 09, 2004, 12:29:21 PM »

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unit cohesion is bottom line. dudes have been yanked from a combat unit because they didnt fit in to the point of affecting cohesion and they werent gay they were simply not meant to be there. camraderie doesnt come from encouraged behavior. it comes from shared experience and shared circumstance. some gay dude may be the nicest guy in the world and a crack shot. but if the jarheads in his squad can accept him as one of the boys the usmc should never be pressured to waste time teaching ten shooters to love gay people, especially when they should be working up for deployment to combat zone. military is not a social experiment. it has a serious job to do and will always exist outside popular social norms. every time popular social norms have been forced on military it has been a disaster. society may evolve to become more humane. basic reality of combat has not changed and will never change. if youre openly gay and want to be a paratrooper im sorry it wasnt meant to be. the same way that someone without the brainpower really wants to be a doctor and it isnt going to happen. the world is not fair. neither is the military. and military that worries more about being fair and nice than about getting the job done vs all comers is a military that will fail at its appointed tasks. read up on what happened to us military after second ww and what this cause in korea until military remembered what its job was.

Well said. About the only thing I would add to that is the social change of society itself. If society moves to accept homosexuals, I'm mean really accept them, then the rules of the military will probably change too. Right now that's not the case.