Originally posted by Simaril
"Orthodox"-- whether Eastern, Greek, or Russian -- IS christian.
Do you even know whats diferent between orthodox and rest ?
("of christ"). I'm not familiar with "pohan" -- help me out. Whom does this term refer to?
Pohans is word created for Slovans who were not christians. So in eyes of Christians they had no religion and they had no right for anything.
Although I've read a lot of european history, I must admit to only shallow familiarity with the renaissance balkans. I recall this was an era of Ottoman influence -- are you claiming that these people died only because of religion? While both sides fought "in the name of" their god, it seems to me that the clashes were driver more by geography and political powergrabbing.
no i spoke about this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussite_Warsps.: why does people still split czech with checnia?
And about numbers -- Stalin accounted for at least tens of millions before the war, and the war itself -- triggered by Hitler -- killed over 100 million worldwide.
Sure only in europe more that 100 million people die in past 2000 years in name of jessus.
1) Mandatory education came about through reformers, some of whom were royal and some who were not. All were influenced, however, by Christian values of altruism, selflessness, and justice.
Mandoatory education came form lady, who was first queen who didnt care about religion that much. Marie Terezie
These values came from somewhere -- from the Celts? No, those vlaues weren't evident in any history of that people. Maybe from the Romans, except they were powerful slaveholders whose values only extended to their class, not to everyone. No, those values are an explicit part of Christianity.
You learn about those values from Christian books? ok...
You can be pretty sure, that sutch values were here before and will be here after.
Whats even most funny is fact, that you can find sutch values all around world.
A) Antislavery reformers in Britain and the US were devout Christians. (Oh, and to head off the comment -- Slaveholders had to ignore the teachings of christ; Paul's advice to slaves in roman times addresses a social reality, it never says slavery is good.)
well here it were not act of church and it happen few hundrets year earlier
B) Medical healthcare all over the third world, paid for and sponsored by christian organizations. Doctors and nurses, capable of enormous earnings, leave their comfortable homes and forgo wealth to GIVE care to those who otherwise would have none.
They are also sponsored by many others.... red cross, various other foundations based on other religions.
Question is what do they spread over there. Untill they keep doing their "job', its ok. once they will use it as cover for spreading "word of God",, give them italian boots
C) relief organizations all over the world, like world vision and compassion international, support underpriviledged peoples. they pay for community development, education for children, health care, and famine acute relief. America is uncomfortably religious for european tastes, but the average american religious donor gives more away to people he'll never meet than any other demographic in the world.
Can you supply some numbers for comparation regarding donations ?
Most of europeans is having fun to watch, that Church is pure bussines in US, thats probably what you are speaking about.
D) Christian medical groups go all over the world, donating teaching at medical colleges and delivering care to the impoverished on short term trips.
Red cross do the same doesnt ?
i didnt dig about it but i think, that we will find sutch things in other countries in other religions as well.
GWB spoke those words from his heart, not for the entire country. Leave the political rhetoric aside --
When top commander of military speak about God and right from god, im sorry but somehow i fear sutch fanatics
a few posts agao you were claiming opposition to the invasion because it resulted in 25k deaths. Are you now saying it was wrong because GWB said the word "God"? And I'm pretty sure he also said something like, God, however we may worship him....
i didnt get your point .... What i said were quote from his mouth. So when he said right given by god to us, he said what he said... i do not see excatly, what are you trying to say
and about your parting shot -- you've missed part of my point. The influence of Christianity is far from gone in europe, even if it only lives on in moral and scientific attitudes.
Rest of moral we have is not realy related to christians. Christianity is just empty term over here and when you say it on the street, majority of people will knock on their heads.
Even religious people here stay away from christianity. My grandmother often say.. " human has been created by god and then human created church" (and BS begun)
