Perk 3-Gun La-7, Add 2-Gun La-7?

[J_A_B]

I can't see any reason to perk the LA7.

Yes it is annoying.  Yes it is utterly dominant in low altitude A2A combat.  Yes it probably benefits in that some of its practical drawbacks aren't modeled in AH.  Yes I despise it because the only way to reliably beat it 1 vs 1 co-e is to fly another LA7.  

But I still can't see a good enough reason to perk it.


It doesn't have 20% usage like the C-hog did.   It can't spray forever and kill you from 1000 yards like the C-hog could.   It can't really double as a JABO plane like the cannon hog.  It certainly isn't available from carriers.   It has short loiter times, smallish ammo load and is at a disadvantage if it isn't below 10K.

It's a hot rod, and very, very good at its job.  It is so good that it instantly makes even a newbie a threat to a guy in a 190 or F4U.  However it's a one-trick pony.  The plane I fly is vastly inferior to the LA7 in low altitude combat, but on the other hand I have options available (whether I use them or not) which the LA7 pilot simply does not have.   It makes sense that an airplane dedicated to a single role is going to be better at it than a multi-role fighter.  That doesn't make it any less annoying to be shot down by them, but a nusiance isn't necessarily a perkable nusiance.

If the LA7 usage climbs to that 20% plateau then maybe you could make a case to perk it....and even then it would be an iffy proposition.


Honestly:

In my heart I hate them and wish they were never even added to AH because it's "better" than "my" plane and reduces my fun.

In my head I know the game isn't about "me" and I can't make any real, logical argument in favor of their removal any more than someody who likes P-40's can argue in favor of removing all 1942+ planes.


J_A_B

[Replicant]

Originally posted by J_A_B
smallish ammo load  

I wouldn't say 450 rounds for the 3 cannon option being smallish, rather large compared to other cannon armed aircraft (per gun).  Even the 2 cannon option has 400 rounds.

[J_A_B]

I was directly comparing it to the F4U-1C in that paragraph.   Compared to the C-hog it most definately has a smallish ammo load especially when you account for the far inferior ballistics and the less stable gun platform.   Since it is largely agreed that the C-hog was perked mostly because of its gun set and ammo load, it is a valid comparison in a thread on perking the LA7 (which is pointedly inferior in this regard).

Certainly things like the 109G-10 and Spit also have smallish ammo loads.  No question there.


J_A_B

[Replicant]

Okay, misunderstood.  However, the F4U-1C has a huge ammo load compared to most cannon armed aircraft.

[Halo]

Again I wouldn't perk anything and I would allow external views for all aircraft ... BUT ... since there are perked planes, and since the La-7 is dominant at low alt and upsets many people (not me, I love the La's) ...

and since there weren't many 3-cannon La-7s ...

seems it would be fair to lay some minor perk costs on the 3-cannon version.

I suspect the 2-cannon La-7 is just about as lethal as the 3-cannon, and theoretically should be a slighter better performer without the weight of the third cannon (unless it carries extra ammo).

Let's hear from you La Lovers who fly both the 2-cannon and 3-cannon La-7s.  Any noticeable differences between the two other than the third cannon?  Any reason the much small number of La-7s with three cannons should not rate a few perk points?

[simshell]

4 perks

but i can make that with 1 nik kill in say a 205 109f-4

[kevykev56]

Perk them all but the early war planes. Not big numbers just enough to make the suicide flier think twice about flying with 75% fuel, without any intention of RTB. That doubles his effective range/loiter compaired to someone who takes off planning to RTB. Might even reduce the number of HOs out there.


RHIN0

[Stegahorse]

We are talking about what should/should not be in AH2. I call again for the P-47M. Atleast it had some real combat time, not like the F4u-4 wich saw no combat time in WW2. It was in Korea.
The perk system in general is strange. The 51D is a difficult plane to learn but is rewarded by low perk points. The Spit V is easy to learn, and survive in and gets a much higher perk point rating.
Go Figure!

[simshell]

Originally posted by Stegahorse
We are talking about what should/should not be in AH2. I call again for the P-47M. Atleast it had some real combat time, not like the F4u-4 wich saw no combat time in WW2. It was in Korea.
The perk system in general is strange. The 51D is a difficult plane to learn but is rewarded by low perk points. The Spit V is easy to learn, and survive in and gets a much higher perk point rating.
Go Figure!

they are not based on how easy they are to learn  there based on how deadly they are

but the HOLE PLANESET ENY NEEDS TO BE REDONE HTC?

[Simaril]

Since we're talking about a game that puts different planes form different eras side by side remember that the real issue is gameplay balance -- not realism or potential killing power.

So in the MA, are things unbalanced? I'd have to say no. There is no superplane that can't be killed; even the low perk uberplanes many complain about are shot down very frequently -- slice by death total, kills per death, whatever. Yes, you see a lot of pony and La action -- but they die lots too, out of proportion to their theoretic quality BECAUSE they're flown by less skilled pilots on average. Some ACM people seem to wish that everyone flew a spitV, so the stars can show how much better they are -- btu that's not gonna be fun for the rest of us.

Don't fix what isnt broken. AH's planes are balanced byt he current perk system, and while that's not set in stone changes should be based on imbalance provable by the MA numbers.

[g00b]

Anyone who thinks the LA7 needs to be perked is a noob. It has no range and sucks at altitude. I eat LA7's in F4U's and spits with ease.

If you have problems with LA7's, just realize it's YOUR problem, the rest of us just shoot 'em down.

I do however think that most of the late war planes should have a small perk cost. But the LA7 is no better than a P51 or spit V or IX, F4U,  etc...


g00b

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by g00b
Anyone who thinks the LA7 needs to be perked is a noob. It has no range and sucks at altitude. I eat LA7's in F4U's and spits with ease.

If you have problems with LA7's, just realize it's YOUR problem, the rest of us just shoot 'em down.

I do however think that most of the late war planes should have a small perk cost. But the LA7 is no better than a P51 or spit V or IX, F4U,  etc...


g00b

Coming from a guy who has almost half his 350+ missions flown in La7 this camp, that argument doesn't carry much weight . Sounds alot more like self-defense to me.

[g00b]

More like 25% or so... It is a great defence aircraft. Never said it wasn't. Notice I have a good bit more kills in the F4Us. Which has been my primary ride in AH2. Just checked my stats this tour.

La-7 has 12 Kills of g00b
La-7 has 65 Deaths by g00b

Now do you understand why I think the LA7 shouldn't be perked?

My main points still stand. The LA7 has crippling handicaps as an offensive fighter. They are easy meat to the better sticks in the game.

g00b

[Urchin]

You are dreaming goob.

Tell you what.. put me in an La7 and you in any non-perked plane.  You name the alt, I'll tell you if it'll be a draw or if I win.  

The La-7 has no "crippling weaknesses".  The La-7 is so absolutely dominant against most every other plane (I can think of one perk plane that it doesn't dominate), that it is a wonder that it doesn't have a K/D of 2 despite being the most used plane in the game.  

There is NO plane in the game that can A.  run down an La7, and then B.  outfight it.

The La-7 chooses whatever fight it wants, chooses how long to fight, and (in the not uncommon case of pilot incompetence), chooses when to leave.

[g00b]

Spit MKV vs LA7 at any alt will win. Sure the LA7 can run away, but that doesn't mean it's the better fighter. I think that's the part that gets under peoples skin, the running away. Big deal...

g00b