USA Bashing

[demaw1]

France says Iraq has wmds...Germany says Iraq has wmds...Norway says Iraq has wmds...Italy says Iraq has wmds...Russia says Iraq has wmds...Canada says Iraq has wmds...the U.N. says Iraq has wmds and must disarm...Iraq says Iraq has wmds but kicks out inspectors...America is hit 3500 dead...some people say dont go to Afganistan untold thousands will die,look at the British,look at the Russians...Afganistan down in 2 weeks less than 100 died...World gos opps see what America and allies did??? America looks around whos next to safegaurd America...well; World says Iraq has wmd...Of all places we could go, Iraq is most likely to give[ wmd ][ the World says he has] to people who would use them on us...A very few say he doesnt have them...President says; World says he has them, look at how Fanatic they are, I cant take the chance as Iraq has used them before and may give something worst to the terrorist to use...

 I and no one else am responsable for Americas safety.It would be a huge burden if I did nothing and thousands die.France calls Germany who calls U.N....Americas going in,oh no we cant have that .They will find out that we are stealing billions of dollars from Iraqi childrens food program and we wont be able to blame their deaths on America any longer,and it is illegal...America wonders why the fuss, but UN cant do much because of past resolutions...Iraq down in 1 month...World amazed and scared... France calls Germany who calls UN...We have to take America down...How says UN...We will say its an illegal war ,and there are no wmd...How can we do that, we have said he had wmds...Dont worry half of America has lost their moral compass as we have,once we do this that half will chime in ...N.Y. TIMES..[.World says war illegal...no wmds
...Bush drops in polls.]..L.A.TIMES...[Recent World poll shows most believe there is more to fear from America than terrorist..Democrat leaders call Bush a lier compare him to Hitler...American newspapers agree...Bush way down in polls]...France calls Germany who calls U.N...See we told you...U.N.says ya to bad we had to stop getting all that money.......Daddy where is America now...Oh 7 years latter terriost used suitcase nuclear bombs and blew up 15 of Americas largest cities.They had a chance but the president at that time wanted absolute proof and the blessing of the U.N...Its sad but they werent able to survive the hit...Daddy where did the bombs come from...Well honey they came from Iran, but that is enough of that ,it is time to go the underground bunker to sleep...Oh are the terrorist coming tonight...I dont know honey but the prime minister said they might.

[storch]

Here's my opinion on this topic
 
Randy Newman - Political Science

one likes us-i don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And canada's too cold
And south america stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

we'll save australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an all american amusement park there
They got surfin', too

Boom goes london and boom paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another american town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a japanese kimono
And there'll be italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Pongo
Really? It wasnt secret.
Wish I was as smart and honest and handsome as steve!

Since we havent heard back from steve on this I guess he has been owned. Thanks for the appology Steve.

[Saintaw]

lol SW

[Slash27]

Slash..you need to change your avitar..considering where your from and all

Gene!     4th Annual Gene Autry Days are coming up in Sept. Anyone want to buy tickets to the charity auction and ball?

[beet1e]

Well Dago, you began by saying "you are such a pathetic excuse for a liar it isn't even funny" and the very next thing you say is "The quotes you posted are accurate".

I don't need to lie - you have all the rope you need to hang yourself without my having to do it for you.

If you're now saying that the starting of country bashing threads is the mark of a "nasty and worthless" person, then I think you're pretty nasty and worthless yourself. I have initiated a number of humourous anecdotal tales about America - American beer, the crappy cars that come out of Detroit - that sort of thing. But not personal insults. You, on the other hand, have directly insulted Thrawn, directly insulted straffo by telling him that his opinion is worthless, and directly insulted the French military with your jokes such as French military vehicles having only a reverse gear etc.

Doesn't matter much the size, the worth can be measured in many ways.

1) GNP
2) Aid to foreign countries and people in crisis
3) Military ability
4) Medical advances shared with the world
5) Quality of life of it's citizens
6) Health care
7) Liberty and freedom
8) Education availlability
9) Infant mortality
etc.

Oh, so now you're saying that you are better because your GNP is higher? You're saying that YOU are better and worth more than someone living in a country like Latvia because they are less privileged than yourself in terms of quality of life? You're saying that YOU are worth more and are better than the poor unfortunates comprising the population of Indonesia because their infant mortality rate is higher?

I'm glad you mentioned education. In point 5 of your list above, there should be no apostrophe - ie. its not it's. I guess your own education didn't stretch to that.

[CyranoAH]

Actually, I'd bet Spain is better based on points 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.

Daniel

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by SEgunner
I'm curious why there are so many threads dedicated to bashing the USA?

I see many threads where there are differences of opinion on US foreign policy. I can't recall ever seeing an actual US bashing thread. Care to post any actual samples? There has to be actual insults started by the 'other' side.
OTOH I've seen plenty of posts actually bashing France, Canada, etc. Funny thing is some that are sensitive to the US bashing are the ones doing the bashing.
*************
Now to those that feel by virtue that they are somehow superior to those from another country:

The ironic thing is that instead of feeling FORTUNATE and LUCKY to live in such a wonderful country as ours, what specifically have you done to merit your apparent 'superiority' over someone else from another country?
You find a cure for cancer? You do anything specifically to help mankind in general? You do anything above and beyond what the average person does?
For your apparent 'superiority' you sure seem a wee bit sensitive and insecure about your standing in this world.

*This obviously wasn't meant for everyone here, not even most of you here. Just some.*

[Badger]

Anti-Americanism Is Racist Envy[/url]
By Paul Johnson

Anti-Americanism is the prevailing disease of intellectuals today. Like other diseases, it doesn't have to be logical or rational. But, like other diseases, it has a syndrome--a concurrent set of underlying symptoms that are also causes.

First, an unadmitted contempt for democracy. The U.S. is the world's most successful democracy. The right of voters to elect more than 80,000 public officials, the length and thoroughness of electoral campaigns, the pervasiveness of the media and the almost daily reports by opinion polls ensure that government and electorate do not diverge for long and that Washington generally reflects the majority opinion in its actions.

It is this feature that intellectuals--especially in Europe--find embittering. They know they must genuflect to democracy as a system. They cannot openly admit that an entire people--especially one comprising nearly 300 million, who enjoy all the freedoms--can be mistaken. But in their hearts these intellectuals do not accept the principle of one person, one vote. They scornfully, if privately, reject the notion that a farmer in Kansas, a miner in Pennsylvania or an auto assembler in Michigan can carry as much social and moral weight as they do. In fact, they have a special derogatory word for anyone who acts on this assumption: "populist." A populist is someone who accepts the people's verdict, even--and especially--when it runs counter to the intellectual consensus (as with capital punishment, for example). In the jargon of intellectual persiflage, populism is almost as bad as fascism--indeed, it's a step toward it. Hence, the argument goes, the U.S. is not so much an "educated democracy" as it is a media-swayed and interest-group-controlled populist regime.

The truth is, on the European Continent there is little experience of working democracy. Italy and Germany have had democracy only since the late 1940s; Spain, since the 1960s. France is not a democracy; it is a republic run by bureaucratic and party elites, whose errors are dealt with by strikes, street riots and blockades instead of by votes. Elements of the French system are being imposed throughout the EU, even in countries such as Denmark and Sweden that have long practiced democracy with success. In a French-style pseudodemocracy, intellectuals have considerable influence, at both government and street levels. In a true democracy, intellectuals are no more powerful than their arguments.

Second, anti-Americanism is a function of cultural racism. An astonishingly high proportion of European elites know very little about U.S. history or culture and even deny that they have a separate existence apart from their European roots. It is strange that those seeking to bring about a European federal state or union have at no stage sought to study the lessons Americans learned during the creation of the U.S. in the 1780s. After all, the U.S. Constitution (suitably amended) has lasted for more than 200 years, and within its framework the country has emerged as the richest and most powerful society in world history. You might think, therefore, that European elites would seek to learn something from such a successful process. Not at all: The view is that sophisticated, civilized Europe has nothing to learn from "adolescent" America. What these Euro-elites particularly abhor is the way in which the framers of the Constitution made every effort to involve the population through the process of public debates, town meetings and ratification votes--and this at a time when Europe was still governed (for the most part) by the absolute sovereigns of the ancien régime.

This cultural racism is particularly directed at the supposedly "know-nothing" President George W. Bush and his "gung ho" Texas background. The European intelligentsia gets its notion of America chiefly from Hollywood, TV soaps like Dallas and fiction. Few of them have any experience  of America, outside of three or four big cities. Middle America is unexplored territory. The fact that the U.S. has proved a highly efficient crucible for melding different peoples into a human sum greater than its constituent parts is seen as a misfortune in Europe because it produces a cultural stew that lacks purity of any kind and is therefore at the mercy of commercial forces.

Third, European elites tend to look at Americans as a subcivilized mass, whose function is to be obedient consumers in a system run by big business. The role of competition in U.S. economic life--and in every other aspect of life--is ignored, because competition is something Continental Europeans like to keep to a minimum and under careful control.

Although Americans are seen as highly materialistic consumers, they are also despised and feared for their spiritual interests, their participation in religious worship and their subscription to creeds of morality. Europeans see no inconsistency in their condemnation of the U.S. for being at one and the same time paganly unethical and morally zealous.

The truth is, any accusation that comes to hand is used without scruple by the Old World intelligentsia. Anti-Americanism is factually absurd, contradictory, racist, crude, childish, self-defeating and, at bottom, nonsensical. It is based on the powerful but irrational impulse of envy--an envy of American wealth, power, success and determination. It is an envy made all the more poisonous because of a fearful European conviction that America's strength is rising while Europe's is falling.

Paul Johnson, eminent British historian and author, Lee Kuan Yew, senior minister of Singapore, and Ernesto Zedillo, former president of Mexico, in addition to Forbes Chairman Caspar W. Weinberger, are now periodically writing this column. To see past Current Events columns go to http://www.forbes.com/currentevents.

[Crumpp]

From your article

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties," the president said. But he also said, "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."

Bush has maintained this from the begining.  Iraq did have AQ ties.  AQ was attempting to reconstitute on the Iraq-Iranian border and Iraq Intelligence met with AQ operatives on several occasions in Europe.  Prior to September 11th an Iraq Intelligence official, a policy maker not an operative, flew to Aghanistan and met with OBL.  What occurred at these meetings is unknown.  That they occurred is a fact.  


Crumpp

[beet1e]

Anti-Americanism is factually absurd, contradictory, racist, crude, childish, self-defeating and, at bottom, nonsensical.

So the fact that I do not care for Budweiser and certain other American beers, and have posted on this BBS to that effect makes me an absurd, contradictory, crude, childish, self-defeating, nonsensical racist?

[storch]

Originally posted by beet1e
So the fact that I do not care for Budweiser and certain other American beers, and have posted on this BBS to that effect makes me an absurd, contradictory, crude, childish, self-defeating, nonsensical racist?

Where in the world did you read that into Paul Johnson's Article?

Did we read the same thing?

[beet1e]

No - Dago accused me of being Anti-American in another thread :

Originally posted by Dago
Go Fxck yourself Beetle, you are still an American bashing piece of shxt in my eyes.

[Curval]

It appears that Mr. Johnson doesn't understand the difference between "racism" and "bigotry".  Such a literary faux pas discounts every single last word of that silly article.

It is essentially a Euro bash...full of generalisations.  In that light he is a bigot.

[storch]

Originally posted by Curval
It appears that Mr. Johnson doesn't understand the difference between "racism" and "bigotry".  Such a literary faux pas discounts every single last word of that silly article.

It is essentially a Euro bash...full of generalisations.  In that light he is a bigot.

In light of your post he should be extended an invitation to become an American Citizen!